Item 9.5 Leaf and Chipped Garden Waste
Penhalluriack left the room. Lipshutz moved and Magee seconded motion.
LIPSHUTZ: stated that this has been a ‘vexed issue for some time now’ and been dealt with by the Ombudsman. Said that Penhalluriack had raised the issue of legionella disease and potential risk to workers. Said that ‘we have a proper’ report that recommends ‘some safeguards which will protect’ users. Claimed that what the Arnold report does say is that ‘bacteria’ is ‘found in all sorts of’ gardens and waste. Went on to say that he personally was ‘not aware of any person contracting Legionnaires disease by using our mulch facility’. In these ‘circumstances it is appropriate’ to reopen the facility with the ‘safeguards as outlined’.
MAGEE: Said that last year he had no ‘hesitation’ in voting to close the facility because ‘there was a potential risk to members of our community’. But now after reading a lot more and ‘given the 6 recommendations’ by the Arnold report it was okay. Noted that there was also a letter from Arnold that came in April. Read from the letter where it was claimed that they tested ‘both the air and the mulch’ and that ‘legionella was not detected’. ‘I’m more than comfortable with that paragraph’ and together with the recommendations was happy to ‘reverse the decision I made’. Was now ‘confident’ that there isn’t any risk.
LOBO: began by referring to what he had said at last council meeting about the Ombudsman’s title to his report and that he was ‘misquoted by the local Glen Eira Debates’ blog. Reiterated that the title is ‘not a good reflection’ on councillors when it says that governance ‘involves each and every one of us’. Defined governance in terms of ‘processes’ and ‘procedures’ and ‘accountable’. Said that he believed that ‘as councillors we have done what we could’ so therefore the ombudsman’s title should have simply said ‘poor governance…..by a councillor’… ‘it should not be a reflection’ on others. Went on to say that as soon as councillors were aware following the O’Neill report they sent Penhalluriack off to a Code of Conduct Panel. ‘Painting everyone with the same brush was not appropriate’ and all this does is ‘show the over enthusiasm of the ombudsman’. Said that when he last raised the issue ‘I was criticised by Glen Eira Debates….(claimed not to be reading it) ‘regularly but I do go on it once a month’. There was the need for Glen Eira Debates to ‘be careful in information….particularly those (that write under) cover (of anonymity)….’they should be courageous enough to say who they are’ so that councillors could reply. Went on to say that when he ‘had the guts’ to show up at a recent community forum one ‘over enthusiastic resident’ attacked councillors who were ‘painted as useless’ and that the ‘community should get rid of all the councillors’….’ I don’t understand all this garbage’ and that Glen Eira Debates should think about the positive things that council is doing and not be ‘negative’.
ESAKOFF: Agreed with Magee that the recommendations were ‘competent’ and that ‘there will be no issue in the area’ and that there will be ‘more than a few residents’ who will be pleased with the reopening.
HYAMS: Said that the ‘first part’ of the motion is to note the ombudsman’s report ‘on these matters’. Agreed with Lobo’s comments that the title is ‘unfortunate and doesn’t reflect the contents of the report’ and also ‘endorsed’ Lobo’s comments on those ‘without the integrity to put their names to their criticisms’. They ‘hide behind anonymity’ and ‘cowardice’. The further letter from Noel Arnold ‘proves that contrary to much speculation’ the mulch was checked but that isn’t ‘an indication of whether the mulch facility causes a risk to health’ because there’s always ‘things in dirt’. Said that the ‘real test’ is checking the air and that was done. Officers ‘weren’t able to find’ any other location that was as good as Glen Huntly Park because of ‘the size of the car park’. Since the facility was closed there had been a lot of ‘feedback’ from people that it shouldn’t have been closed. Said that when he voted to close it his real concern was that ‘people may not handle it safely’, ‘but I guess there is only so much that you can do’ (so the recommendations and the debate would alert people. Also they might try and get it from other sites that don’t have these safety precautions).
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY (5 councillors with Pilling, Tang & Forge absent).
May 3, 2012 at 12:36 PM
This point has been made before I think. 6 safety recommendations have gone in 2 years after the facility was set up. That means 2 years where there was an increased risk and Newton did nothing about it to protect his workers especially. Penhalluriack’s problem is that by raising the issue he’s left Newton with real egg on his face. It’s also pretty convenient to get another letter from the paid consultants as more assurance that things are now perfect. How much was paid for this latest bit of evidence?
May 3, 2012 at 12:40 PM
so when does the facility reopen?
May 3, 2012 at 12:43 PM
The motion says when all the recommendations are in place and operational.
May 3, 2012 at 12:44 PM
Council should have obtained reliable scientfic data before they took action. Knee jerk decisons inevitably end up as costs. In this case to the ratepayers.
May 3, 2012 at 1:15 PM
So why didn’t they ask for a “proper” report in the first place – where was their analysing ability, free thinking skills and ability to do own research. The vote to close the facility was 7 to 2.
All Penhalluriack asked for in the first place was that safety precautions (equipment and training) be provided to staff and warning notices be provided to mulch users. Crs. took the decision to close the facility – wasn’t Penhalluriack.
So two years down the track we get the facility reopening with exactly the safety precautions as Penhalluriack asked for in the first place. The only gain in this whole sorry, drawn out episode is exclusively for Council – they got to slam Penhalluriack and put up bogus conflict of interest charges over mulch. For this residents paid dearly (no mulch and at least 65K legal fees).
Shows exactly how this Council works and how little it values it’s residents.
May 3, 2012 at 2:02 PM
I’m not interested in the mulch. I”m far more interested in the governance of this council and the actions of Hyams as mayor. He has in the past upheld points of order on the basis of relevance. The discussion on this motion veers off into areas that are totally irrelevant to the motion. For example Lobo’s comments and then Hyams “endorsing” the criticisms of the blog. These comments have nothing to do with the issue under discussion and if Hyams was fair and impartial he would have halted Lobo and refrained from a bit of mud slinging himself. This just proves again and again how lacking partiality this mayor is and how the Local Law is applied in its most literal and draconian fashion when its suits the particular objectives of the gang.
On anonymity itself I think that people have got a right to make that choice for themselves. The law supports individuals remaining anonymous if they choose to. Hyams, Lobo and other councillors would do a lot better if they took the criticisms to heart and looked at the issues rather than trying repeatedly to shoot all the messengers.When so many people are starting to find fault, then it would be wise to address the faults. It wouldn’t even surprise me in the end if these same councillors are also guilty of what they condemn – posting comments on this blog, anonymously. Have they got the courage then to own up that they do such terribly hypocritical and cowardly things. I’d really like a councillor to respond to this question.
May 3, 2012 at 8:19 PM
D. Evans for what it is worth, can you give everyone your contact number so that we can have a man to man or a women to man or women to women talk.
May 3, 2012 at 8:22 PM
Number 4 – Disenchanted – is that you Frank?
May 4, 2012 at 7:41 AM
good get!. I wonder how many commenters on this site are councillors or MRC. Funny how someone updated the Caulfield Racecourse entry on Wikipedia to say it was crown land. They said it on this site. Soon after it was changed back to being owned by MRC.
May 4, 2012 at 8:10 AM
No I am not Penhalluriack. In fact I am not a Penhalluriack supporter or in Penhalluriack’s ward. I am however a supporter of fact over fiction and straight talk over convoluted spin.
And before you come back with a request for my contact details, since you issued the challenge for this info, it would be appropriate for you to provide your contact details when you ask for mine.
May 3, 2012 at 8:24 PM
No: 5 D.Evans What is your address to drop you a line or better still your land line to talk to you. Are you a male or a female?