Tonight’s council meeting was an absolute marathon. For this first report on the evening we will concentrate on only 1 item – the Akehurst report on the new Planning Zones. We’ve chosen to highlight this agenda item because it epitomises fully what is wrong with our council and the majority of its councillors. As per usual, the evening descended into grand farce revealing incompetence, spin, unbelievable arrogance and an attitude that was both patronising and insulting to residents. This is what happened.
Esakoff moved to accept the report plus the addition of the point that the motion only relates to the potential Council submission to the Minister’s review. Seconded by Pilling. Esakoff began by stating how fortunate this council was by already having in place the Housing Diversity and Minimal Change area zones. Her address was basically a regurgitation of the Akehurst report (verbatim in parts). There was no real mention of the loss of third party rights to object but the jargon of ‘as of rights’ and repeated verbatim the party line that ‘third party rights are not changing’.
PILLING: thought that there are a ‘lot of good points’ in that there will be surety about ‘height’ and that with council’s current policy there will be ‘a reasonable good fit’ with the government’s proposals. Emphasised the ‘similarities’ between the proposed zones and council’s planning policies and that ‘it can be made to work’.
MAGEE: spoke about the mixed use zone and that ‘the devil will be in the detail as to what’s allowed’….’can turn into being a 6, 7, or eight storey development in those zones’….’that’s where this council needs to be very careful’. Wondered why the government put the deadline date for submissions at 21st September and the results will be available after the election. Said he saw both ‘good points’ and ‘concerns’ but detail is lacking but ‘all in all I think it’s welcomed’.
TANG: called it a ‘double edged sword’ in that it did involve a loss of third party rights and council rights. Said that places of worship up to 250 square metres could now go in without third party rights. Said these are ‘quite drastic changes’ but the good points are that these are ‘cutting through angst, bureaucracy’ and therefore not dealing with uncertainty anymore. Now there’s also mandatory height limit and ‘that’s something that council has been crying out about for years’. Said that all councils around Victoria have been asking for mandatory height controls (OUR COMMENT – EXCEPT GLEN EIRA!!!!!). Thought that residents would also ‘appreciate having that certainty as well’.Spoke about the commercial zones claiming that Glen Eira has graduated zones but this introduces just one zone for everything and ‘high density as of right’ which means that ‘you could be in Mackie Road and faced with high density’ …..’of 5 or 7 storieys in one of these local centres’. Foreshadowed an amendment because ‘this represents a discussion paper’….’missing community input directly’. Said that in his experience ‘people want to know’ whether something is going or not ‘and they want some input at an early stage’. Froesahdowed that this be put on council’s website and invite submissions from residents and alerting them to the government website and that submissions close on 21st September. (OUR COMMENT: TOO LITTLE TOO LATE ESPECIALLY WHEN OTHER COUNCILS HAVE BEEN HOLDING RESIDENTS’ MEETINGS AND INFORMATION SESSIONS FOR WEEKS NOW!)‘ No reason we can’t facilitate the community giving their views as well’.
HYAMS: ‘lot about this which is good’…’lot about this which does raise concerns’. VCAT will now have to apply zones and not only consider them ‘it will give us a lot more certainty’. Said that there’s uncertainty whether the government will apply the commericial zones immediately. Said he attended a mayoral and ceo forum last week and the Minister was present to take questions which he dealt with. Hyams asked Minister about high density being allowed in commercial zones. Said that the MInister responded by saying that it would still need ‘to go through the permit process’ but that Hyams then made the point that where there’s higher density allowed that would be what vcat would apply. Stated that the Minister ‘suggested that we have a chat about it afterwards’ and that they’re trying to tee up a meeting. So none of this should be seen ‘as a done deal’. Thought that this was the ‘basis of a good submission’.
TANG: moved amendment that this be published on council’s website and promoting a link to the department’s website with contact details.
Hyams then asked Esakoff if this amendment was ‘acceptable. She then asked a question of Akehurst
ESAKOFF: ‘given the time structures here’ whether the amendment is feasible?
AKEHURST: Said that time is an ‘issue’ because that only leaves 17 days. Said that he had ‘waded through the new zones’ himself and that he was pretty familiar with the proposals ‘it does take a little getting over the top of what is in the zones’. If this was going out to the general public then he wasn’t sure ‘whether there is going to be adequate time to get across the substance’. Repeated that a ‘zone is really a tool’ and isn’t important until it’s applied and ‘we’re not at that stage yet, we’re not at stage 2’. So if there’s to be public involvement ‘it wouldn’t be at stage 1’. Public should only be involved ‘when you apply the zones’.
Tang then asked about a point of order whether you can put questions before seconding an amendment. Hyams responded that this isn’t covered by the local law. Penhallurick then offered to second the amendment. Esakoff then removed her seconding of the amendment and said that she would take this to ‘a wider discussion of all councillors’. Penhalluriack then seconded.
TANG: said that we’ve ‘got 2 weeks’ and that with the new website it should be pretty simple to put up the links and the Akehurst paper. Said that he didn’t expect ‘all residents to be across the technicalities of the zones’ but residents could use the paper itself in order to understand the zones. Said the jargon has been translated for councillors anyway so residents should also be able to understand it. Foresahdowed another question about the ability of the Minister to implement some of the zones without ‘recourse to council’.
PENHALLURIACK: ‘not difficult to put on the website’…’knowledge is power’ and even if there are only 2 people who are interested ‘why should we withhold’ this?
TANG: asked Akehurst if he knew whether it was within the power of the Minister to implement the zones without further recourse to council and further consultation?
AKEHURST: said that ‘the issue of implementation has great lack of detail’. Said that he’d spoken with senior people and no-one knew how this would be done and thought the minister was waiting for results from submissions. Thought that government ‘is keen to advance commercial zones’ and that ‘they may come in without consultation’. On the residential zones he thought that ‘councils would be given some time’ and that ‘Glen Eira has got a head start’ on implementing these because of its housing diversity/minimal change zones.
LIPSHUTZ: said that after listening to Akehurst he realised that these zones are something ‘that is still very much up in the air’ and that since it’s taken officers a fair bit of time to understand them, he wasn’t ‘sure how in a very short period of time we’re going to have the public understand’. Worried that all this would ‘scare’ the public and be ‘misinterpreted’. The community should be involved only at the second phase.
ESAKOFF: also had ‘concerns’ and thought that only a very small percentage of the community ‘would look at our website on a regular basis’….’it could look a little bit mischievous on our part’ if we consulted with the community on something that isn’t consultable (ie if the minister brings in the commercial zones without consulting councils). Doubted ‘very much’ if the time to consult ‘is now’.
Hyams asked Akehurst if the submissions to government are only from councils or also from the public.
AKEHURST: ‘That’s a good question. They’re on the website….but I’m not sure’ whether people are aware. Hyams again asked if the public are invited to make submissions. Akehurst didn’t know. A member of the gallery informed them ‘it does’!
HYAMS: said that the amendment should be supported because if the government is taking submissions then ‘we should be facilitating that’….’I certainly don’t think there’s any harm to that’. Also said that if the government was going to bring in the zones ‘straight away’ then ‘this is the only opportunity’ to have a say. Whilst not everyone looks at the website those who do are ‘more likely to make a submission’.
ESAKOFF: asked the question that if the vote is in favour that this be ‘inserted on our electronic consultation letter – if that’s the right name for it'(!!!!!!!)
HYAMS: asked that this be an amendment. Tang seconded and was carried unanimously.
TANG: moved another amendment that this be advertised in both Leader newspapers. Pilling seconded.
PENHALLURIACK: said that the next Leader comes out on the 11th and that would be ‘insufficenct time’ and that council would be wasting its money.
ESAKOFF: asked when the next edition was coming out and the deadline for advertising.
BURKE: Thursday
HYAMS: asked Burke if the community column in the Leader had already been finalised?
Amendment was put and carried. The motion with the 3 amendments was then put and carried unanimously
COMMENT: It’s quite staggering that after years and years as councillors and the lauding of the ‘consultation/engagement policy’ that the difference between information provision and consultation seems to be lost on most of these individuals. Other councils obviously saw no problem with ALERTING their residents to what is happening. This is the first stage of any consultation – accurate, timely, and comprehensive information provision. Glen Eira showed no interest in doing any of this. Now at the 11th hour we suddenly have several pangs of conscience. Even this though is tinged with a paternalistic and patronising hue – ie. we poor residents will be incapable of understanding such a complex matter. It will only ‘frighten’ us! For this residents should read – we don’t want community involvement. Lipshutz and Esakoff in particular should be ashamed of themselves in our view! As for the rest of the councillors, why didn’t they insist that this occur way back in July?
September 5, 2012 at 10:37 AM
Lipshutz is correct that people should be frightened but not for the reasons that he supposedly professes. All residents throughout Victoria should be scared stiff of what this government is about to introduce. Developers will be the victors and residents the victims of uncontrolled high rise – ably abetted no doubt by councils such as Glen Eira.
I’m quite certain that if these proposed changes were benign and would have little impact on residents and the makeup of our cities, that Glen Eira would have publicised their existence long before now. The conundrum for Lipshutz and Newton is not that people won’t understand what the changes mean, but that they will understand them all too well and see the role that Council intends to take.
September 5, 2012 at 11:11 AM
Love it! Akehurst doesn’t know. Esakoff doesn’t know what council calls the e-newsletter and not one single councillor has taken the trouble to check out the state government’s discussion paper or have a look at their website. They leave it all in the hands of Newton and Akehurst.
September 5, 2012 at 11:23 AM
Akehurst says that the public should only be involved when the zones are applied. Really? This is officer speak for a repetition of the c87 and every other single consultation project that has ever happened under Newton. What he’s saying is that residents will have no say about what and where the zones should be and when they’re asked it will only be to rubber stamp what has already been decided. There is no desire to let residents in on the ground floor. That is put forward ideas and suggestions and then produce a draft. Doing things this way excludes residents and that is the entire idea.
September 5, 2012 at 11:44 AM
Ya know Lipshutz really is insufferable. The arrogance of the man – too hard for residents to understand, they will only get frightened therefore they should leave it in our capable hands. They will get a chance to have their say later.
Yeah right Councillor, we all know how that ends up – Council defines the terms of reference and low and behold when residents raise issues they are ruled out of scope or just plain old ignored. Doesn’t matter what residents say, you just have to be seen to give them the opportunity to speak at pretend consultations.
Sure Lipshutz my confidence in the Council making the right decision is renewed each time
. I look out my window at the high rise going up next door or
. try to park in the street outside my property or
. receive my rate notice.
September 5, 2012 at 12:11 PM
After a decade of living in Glen Eira and having a number of extremely frustrating dealings with Council (both Council and Administragtors), I’ve become worn down and consequently my expectations of Council are pretty low (some say abysmal). But the one thing that still gets me fired up, is this almost constant referencing of Council’s e news service that you sign up for.
I’d be happy if, before a Councillor or Administrator speaks of the e news service, they actually ask how frequently Council uses this service. Since signing up for it 3 years ago I have received exactly 2 notices. Hardly fantastic. Seems to me the only time anyone thinks of the e news service is when they want to sound good and can use it to bluff residents.
September 5, 2012 at 2:35 PM
Agree absolutely with Anon 4 and 5 above.
Can I make a suggestion to Mr Lipsutz- before making such derogatory comments about IQ levels of people in City of GE, perhaps he ought to conduct a bit of an analysis on education levels attained by GE residents. Perhaps then will he be more respectful of the brainpower of residents collectively in the municiplaity!
Dare I say some of us have a law degree too!
September 5, 2012 at 3:28 PM
As of 3.23pm NOTHING has appeared on Council’s website related to the resolution passed last night to provide a link to the State Government’s website and upload the Planning Zone report.
Our congratulations to the webmaster (Burke?) for so rapidly implementing a council resolution. We estimate that any webmaster worth his salt should spend no more than 15 minutes on carrying out the resolution. Even the writing of a simply blurb should not take more than 5. Further, since we heard so much about time on the wane last night one would have thought that the appropriate links and information would be up on the council website by the latest at 9.30am this morning. Not so! We congratulate officers for being so responsive to council resolutions!
September 5, 2012 at 6:07 PM
It’s up there now. You must have embarrassed the pants off them Gleneira. Good on ya!
http://www.gleneira.vic.gov.au/Council/Media_and_news/News/State_Government_new_zones
Reckon this would have taken less than 5 minutes. Real informative and really really making people jump out of their skins and put in a submission. Great stuff Mr Burke. Can’t have too many people knowing what’s going on and exercising their rights. That’s against the rules in this council.
September 5, 2012 at 6:51 PM
see there is also an item up there where you can ask a question to the Caulfield Racecourse reserve committee if they deem it appropriate. Also look at the agenda item saying matter relating to land swap. Wonder what that is. Maybe MRC want something more
September 5, 2012 at 7:04 PM
Yes, an announcement has gone up on council’s website re Trustees meeting in late September. See: http://www.gleneira.vic.gov.au/Council/Media_and_news/News/Caulfield_Racecourse_Reserve_Trustees_meeting
It should be noted however that in the past when residents have applied for permission to address a particular item, they HAVE ALL BEEN REFUSED as far as we know. Secrecy reigns supreme here as well.
September 5, 2012 at 7:50 PM
I feel for you at the moment MRC Fan Club. Council in their wisdom have elected to close Sir John Monash Drive for at least the next four months, possibly permanently. With Spring racing that area will be a disaster for residents. In this case the Council has bent over for Monash Uni rather than the usual bend over for the MRC (now known formally as the Newton manouvre). Contrast this with Stonnington Council who won at VCAT today challenging McDonalds push for a 24 hour licence at their Waverley Rd store. I bet McDonalds are sorry they didn’t build the shop on the Glen Eira side of Dandenong Road where Council dont give a stuff about residents and certainly would never fight on their behalf.
September 6, 2012 at 7:28 AM
but we have KFC at Caulfield Station. This keeps the undesirable numbers up. What is the reason given for closing what ever it is called drive?