Tables below are taken from the VEC website as at 9.15am Sunday. Updates to the counts will be made by VEC throughout the day. See: https://www.vec.vic.gov.au/Results/GlenEiraResult2012.html
At this stage Council could have 4 new councillors.
| Candidate | First preference votes | Percentage |
|---|---|---|
| FORGE, Cheryl | 466 |  3.44% |
| KRAINA, Catherine | 126 |  0.93% |
| LIPSHUTZ, Michael | 3373 | 24.87% |
| SPIEGEL, Joshua | 372 | 2.74% |
| WEIL, Martyn Daniel | 224 | 1.65% |
| SOUNNESS, Thomas | 1582 | 11.67% |
| DEMPSEY, Kate | 752 | 5.55% |
| PENHALLURIACK, Frank | 1543 | 11.38% |
| KURAN, Bernie | 1264 | 9.32% |
| STEEDMAN, James | 398 | 2.93% |
| DELAHUNTY, Mary | 3461 | 25.52% |
Rosstown Ward (3 vacancies)
Results below are only provisional results.
Results for this ward will be published progressively. The figures below may not include all votes.
| Enrolment: | 33482 |
|---|---|
| Formal Votes: | 16874 |
| Informal Votes: | 1491 (8.12% of the total votes) |
| Voter Turnout: | 18365 (54.85% of the total enrolment) |
First preference votes
| Candidate | First preference votes | Percentage |
|---|---|---|
| ESAKOFF, Margaret | 5583 | 33.09% |
| OKOTEL, Karina | 3794 | 22.48% |
| MIKELSONS, Wilmars | 1236 | 7.32% |
| HO, Kelvin | 518 | 3.07% |
| HSU, Ryan | 1046 | 6.20% |
| CASPI, Michael | 608 | 3.60% |
| DUNSTAN, Don | 1460 | 8.65% |
| PILLING, Neil | 2629 | 15.58% |
Tucker Ward (3 vacancies)
| Enrolment: | 33307 |
|---|---|
| Formal Votes: | 18588 |
| Informal Votes: | 2407 (11.46% of the total votes) |
| Voter Turnout: | 20995 (63.03% of the total enrolment) |
| Candidate | First preference votes | Percentage |
|---|---|---|
| DUDEJA, Raj | 835 | 4.49% |
| HYAMS, Jamie | 4289 | 23.07% |
| MAGEE, Jim | 1894 | 10.19% |
| HEDGER, Brett | 958 | 5.15% |
| CADE, Anne Marie | 472 | 2.54% |
| LOBO, Oscar | 2372 | 12.76% |
| De’ATH, Phil | 1598 | 8.60% |
| MYERS, John Barry | 213 | 1.15% |
| KAY, David | 157 | 0.84% |
| GATOFF, Newton | 1117 | 6.01% |
| READ, Rose | 1846 | 9.93% |
| PILCHER, Trudy | 163 | 0.88% |
| ANDONOPOULOS, Rodney | 2146 | 11.55% |
| BUCH, Henry | 528 | 2.84% |
Glen Eira Debates 
October 28, 2012 at 12:39 PM
Update.
Camden
Lipshutz 27.77% and Delahunty 24.20% look safe.
The 3rd spot is up for grabs between Penhalluriack 11.25% Sounness 10.61% and Kuran 9.76%
Rosstown
Is pretty much done and dusted with Esakoff 34.47% Okotel 22.43% and Pilling 14.92% looking comfortable.
Tucker
Hyams 23.29% looks safe. There’s a battle for the other two spots between Lobo 12.61% Andonopoulos 11.09% Magee 10.13% and Reid 9.73%
Magee may pay the price for inflicting the GESAC debt on us.
It’s panned out as I expected. Most voters are either ambivalent or disinterested. It takes a seismic event to shift them. Not much will change with the new Council. The gang will be re-united.
October 28, 2012 at 6:11 PM
Frank is an outside chance. He has only second pref.. The voter discipline in Camden appears to be around 43%. Limited sampling but pretty low compared to normal around 63%. The green bloke looks to have it nailed. Quite a few just voting for the ladies.
October 28, 2012 at 1:35 PM
Experience tells me that obviously Frank and Cheryl are gone but there is a possibility Lipshutz will go. Does anyone else see it this way.
October 28, 2012 at 4:18 PM
Are you the same ‘anon’ that posted inaccurate stuff last night too?
Lipshutz is a shoe-in. So are his sycophant (Hyams) and fellow traveller (Esakoff). All with a very healthy vote. As I’ve posted, the gang are back together.
Forge is gone but Penhalluriack is still a chance though his numbers are woeful all things considered.
All-in-all a disappointing result for those of us wanting change. There was always likely to be 3 new councillors. A replacement for Tang, who didn’t re-nominate, and Forge and Lobo being fill-ins were likely to struggle. Though Lobo is still a chance.
Reckon the powers-that-be at White Hall will be cock-a-hoop at the result with the emphatic vote for their people and with there being no new councillor who is likely to rock the boat. Oh, and the possibility of Penhalluriack disappearing.
October 28, 2012 at 8:27 PM
Frank is certainly gone.
And his preferences will give the last spot to a Green ensuring that Glen Eira Council will be have a Labour-Greens majority block.
Heaven help us!!
October 28, 2012 at 4:40 PM
Experience?! Lipshutz will get in and so will Frank thanks to Cheryl’s preferences. Newtons dirty tricks campaign against Frank looks to have been quite effective. Wonder which Councillor is next.
October 28, 2012 at 1:53 PM
Some really fascinating results here.
In Camden – Lipshutz, Delahunty and Sounness. Frank is gone – won’t get any preferences except from Forge. Dempsey’s preferences go to the Greens’ Sounness which will give him the third place. Amazing performance by Delahunty. Surprised that Frank didn’t do better. He ran a poor campaign – nowhere near as strong as last time. Lipshutz vote down on last election – probably went to Kuran.
In Rosstown – Esakoff tops the vote as expected. Okatel doing very well and Pilling to get re-elected but not a very strong vote for him.
Tucker – really interesting. Hyams in but the other places a battle between four candidates. I expected Gatoff to do better. His preferences go to Lobo I think, so we will probably have Oscar back. Greens might get the other position although Andonopoulos has polled very well (Hedger said he is Magee’s running mate but he’s outpolled Magee). Preference flows will decide this. I’m not sure of all the preferences – and a lot of people don’t follow the card in council elections so it’s a bit difficult to make assumptions.
A few observations.
The battles between the existing councillors have gone to Lipshutz (over Frank) and Hyams (over Magee).
The Greens could get one in each ward.
Council make-up could be 4 Libs, 3 Greens, 2 Labor.
If the non-Lib councillors get their act together (and they’ve got a much better chance of doing this without Frank and Cheryl) they can control council.
So although it might appear to be only a small change it might just be enough to tip the balance.
Any bets on Pilling for Mayor?
October 28, 2012 at 6:06 PM
Esakoff, Hyams and Lipshutz have easily been returned. In fact Esakoff’s vote is not bad. It means that alot of people agree with what they are doing. I would’t be too sure about forming a new block. Neil Pilling supported some of the so called “gang” issues.
Frank has gone. Save some money and time in VCAT. That is all over now.
October 28, 2012 at 7:17 PM
4 libs are for sure, but 3 greens or 2 labor i’m not sure. proportional representation in a large field is mainly bottom up. what is certain is that we will not have a big change. a solid block of 4 libs 3 of whom are lawyers means a pro-development council. and with the elephant in the room ie administration changes are very limited.
October 28, 2012 at 5:18 PM
Maybe people are reading a bit more into the results than are warranted. Since its a proportional representation system being used, the winners have to achieve a quota (approximately 1/4 or 25% of the vote in this case), but with such a wide field there’s a lot of votes of defeated candidates to be distributed. It would be interesting to know the extent to which people follow slavishly a candidate’s How-To-Vote card versus making decisions for themselves.
Bit of a diversion I know and probably of interest only to pure mathematicians, but proportional voting is an example of a rank-order system, and is therefore subject to the problems contained in Arrow’s Impossibility Theorem. One or more of the axioms that Kenneth Arrow stated as being reasonable requirements of a fair voting method must be violated here. A cardinal system (eg based on rating desirability of each candidate on a scale of 0 to 10) can avoid these violations. I have a philosophical objection to the combination of compulsory voting *and* rank-order systems. There is no legal way to express indifference between two candidates, or to demonstrate that the least worst candidate is still pretty lousy.
While looking at the provisional results based on first preferences, I noticed that there was a significant difference between enrolled voters in Camden, vs those in Rosstown and Tucker, and this is only 1 year after VEC’s report on Glen Eira. Turns out that VEC made no attempt to address the imbalance, possibly as a result of assuming the gap would close over the next decade due to C60. Its hard to say, as it doesn’t provide projections for each Ward, and doesn’t date those statistics it does provide. Curiously while the number of voters is projected to go up, the number enrolled this year has gone down [VEC website] compared to the numbers claimed in the report.
I’m rather surprised by the strong support for Karina Okotel, but hey new faces in Council are welcome. I was a bit put off by her supporters and the way they accosted me as I tried to vote. For reasons that only they would know, they thought I should vote for her because we went to the same university and because she had been a law student there. I’m not real keen on lawyers governing me, but that aside, there are weightier issues facing us all which should be material when ranking candidates.
October 28, 2012 at 9:26 PM
Okotel taking the Tang place was no surprise to me. With the help of her family, and with advice from Esakoff, she ran a well targeted door-to-door campaign. Don’t be surprised if she is a ‘gang’ member in short order.
October 28, 2012 at 9:49 PM
Extremely well-targeted—didn’t bother with me or my family. Did anybody in Council’s “Urban Villages” get approached?
October 28, 2012 at 10:43 PM
Plenty of activity in my area. Not only got a vist from Karina Okotel but her father too. Plus plenty of flyers. Maybe they know you are an Esakoff fan. 😀
Her results are clear evidence of a well run campaign.
I was thinking that Pilling’s poor showing may, at least in part, be due to them running two Greens candidates.
October 28, 2012 at 10:58 PM
I am in Carnegie’s area designated as an ‘urban village’ – no candidates knocked on my door – still no-one gives a damn about the 20% do they!
October 28, 2012 at 9:31 PM
Looks like the same old C60 gang is back to haunt us all.
Lipshutz back again too, religion is thicker than water. Lobo back also I thought he was going to go.
October 28, 2012 at 9:56 PM
As i’ve posted, the powers that be at White Hall will be more than satisfied with the outcome.
Lobo still has a fight on his hands.I suspect Magee’s role in imposing the debt burden that is GESAC might yet cost him his place on Council.
October 28, 2012 at 9:53 PM
Preferences are clearly going to play a major role in the final outcome. There’s a paper on the vec website which found that last election only 43% of voters in Glen Eira followed the successful candidates voting card. That’s pretty low. If the same pattern is followed through on this election then anything could happen. I didn’t vote according to my candidate’s card and neither did most of the people I’ve asked. Anecdotal I admit, but nevertheless something to consider amidst all this speculation.
Rosstown was “gone” even before the first vote was cast. There really was no choice or any real oppositiion. Okotel obviously ran a pretty good campaign and put in the leg work. Tucker is the intruiging one and I would agree that Magee has probably lost. Andopoulos, together with Delahunty are the big surprise packets. They did however have full backing.
All in all, at least in Glen Eira, it suggests that independents have very little hope against the machines and organised will of the Libs, Labor and the Greens. Personally, I think this is very sad for local government and in Glen Eira, it’s a disaster. It remains to be seen how “pink/red” Delahunty and Andonopoulos are. Lobo I would discount entirely as a Labor man given his past (non) performance. Pilling’s vote was down too, but if he gets another one or two Greens up, then this may put some fight back.
Who will be mayor is the next hurdle and this will be equally fascinating.
October 28, 2012 at 10:51 PM
None of you understand the system.I am an expert. What happens is the bottom candidate drops out (preferences then distributed) until someone reaches 50.01%. That person then is elected and their preferences are distributed and the whole process starts again.Lipshutz is not safe but i would say Delehuntly and Sounness are, as is Esakoff and Okotel.No one is safe in Tucker. What I can tell you is Frank is gone and Lipshutz and Hyam’s would be checking their Brown Goudge contracts although I would rather be in their shoes at this moment. The computer holds the answer.
October 29, 2012 at 8:27 AM
You clearly do not understand what happens. Lipshutz has a quota. He is already elected. Glad you don’t do my tax. Not running a toy shop are you?
October 29, 2012 at 4:42 PM
Never a good idea to big note is it anonymous. biggrin 😀 Glad he’s not my accountant either.
Think Frank is a gonner. Plenty of champers at White Hall today.
October 28, 2012 at 11:43 PM
Sorry. Described Preferencial. Under proportional I would say Lipshutz and Delahuntly are there with a bet on Sounness.Hyams has made it as probably Lobo.
October 29, 2012 at 8:17 AM
Hardly a big call since Lipshutz already has a quota and Delahunty is within 1% of quota on first preferences alone. With proportional representation what matters is achieving quota.
October 29, 2012 at 8:03 AM
Announcement of results is now likely to be around 4pm.
October 29, 2012 at 2:45 PM
Anon 8.27am what language are you speaking. Explain tax and toy shop. What about contributing to the discussion instead of getting into the gutter.I have heard a rumour that the quota man may be getting a legal letter from a former Mayor.Watch for a public apology in the Age.
October 29, 2012 at 4:06 PM
With over forty years of election experience I think the winners are determined in this case by determining a quota which is the total no. of votes cast divided by the number of vacancies which is in this case is 4.
Then the officer sees if anyone had polled this number of votes if yes, the excess is skimmed off and distributed according to second preferences to the other candidates. The lowest polling candidate then has their preferences distributed and so the process goes on until two other candidates reach the quota.
For an example of how it works see the Mansfield Shire elections. It is easy to understand with smaller numbers and less vacancies etc.
October 29, 2012 at 4:36 PM
Some of the details here are a bit off. Firstly, the actual method used is dependent on the number of candidates and the number to be elected. The methods are defined in LGA Schedule 3, Clauses 9 (two candidates, 1 to be elected), 10 (more than two candidates, 1 to be elected), 11B (2 or more candidates to be elected). Since Glen Eira has a Ward system with 3 councillors per ward, 11B applies. The quota is obtained as floor(total_votes/(candidates+1)+1). Note that with 3 candidates you divide by 4. “Excess” votes aren’t literally skimmed: instead all votes get transferred, but at less than full value. They are instead weighted by the fraction that they are in excess. The VEC has some tutorial information available to help people understand the process.
October 29, 2012 at 7:10 PM
Camden is done.
Frank’s legacy is leaving us with a Greens/ALP council.