Miscellaneous


The following post appeared recently announcing Magee’s decision not to stand for the 2024 council elections. See: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7163721229558800384/

We have copied the post below –

After almost 16 wonderful years as Councillor for Tucker Ward in the City of Glen Eira, I have decided not to contest the 2024 local government election.

Those who know me will know that I have always been a great believer in renewal. In any democracy, it’s important to have new faces representing the rich diversity of their communities. Now is the time for someone new to take on this important role. I will remain a Councillor until the next election in October.

It has been an absolute honour and privilege to represent the people of Tucker ward, as well as to serve as Mayor for three terms and Deputy Mayor for two terms.

I am and always will be a fierce advocate for local government. Councils are the closest level of government to the people. While we have the smallest budgets,3% off all taxes are collected by councils we are responsible for one thread off our country’s infrastructure, we arguably have the greatest responsibility to provide services and infrastructure which meaningfully touch everyday lives in our communities. We build community wellbeing and social cohesion, plan for the future, and build and maintain billions of dollars of infrastructure for our communities.

We responded to real and emerging challenges — confronting the long-term sustainability of the councils, shrinking revenue, increasing cost shifting from other levels of government, and rising community expectations. These conversations have a long way to go, but I am proud to have helped to spark them.

To have represented a City as liveable, welcoming and diverse Glen Eira — working alongside many other incredible Councillors — has been a privilege I will never forget. Every day, I worked to do what I could to make Glen Eira an even better place to live, work, study and play.

Thank you to the people of Tucker Ward for this incredible honour. Thank you to the many Councillors and officers who have supported me and my work. And thank you most of all to my wife Claire, and sons Daniel and Joe for your love and support. I couldn’t have done it without you.

I am looking forward to the next chapter and exploring what the future holds.

The government has gazetted the changes to council wards for numerous municipalities today. Glen Eira will now have 9 wards and one councillor for each ward. What this means for future candidates is the $64 question.

Below is the map which outlines the new wards and their boundaries. CLICK TO ENLARGE!

The Victorian Electoral Commission (VEC) ran a recount vote this morning to elect a councillor to replace David Zyngier. Jane Karslake won the recount. We are yet to see the actual numbers on how the voting fell. This will be available in the next few days on the VEC website. Assuming that Ms Karlake signs the relevant papers she will represent Camden Ward.

Ms Karslake has twice stood for council elections in the past. We wish her well for the remainder of this term.

For Glen Eira it doesn’t seem to matter that over 7000 individuals signed an online petition to keep the early learning centres open, or that a hard copy petition of over 2000 was recently tabled at council meetings. Further, that 94% of participants in the online surveys also were of this viewpoint, plus letters from MP’s and other organisations. The recommendation remains that these centres be closed.

The only compromise was that instead of a December 2023 closure, this be delayed until March 2024! How magnanimous!!!!!

The report highlights again and again ‘financial viability’ and that maintaining the centres will amount to a cost to council of nearly $600,000 per annum. With a 94% of responses in favour of keeping the centres open, council still finds it appropriate to state:

Whilst acknowledging the views and feedback expressed by directly impacted staff, families and the community, additional information has not come to light which materially alters the assessment that the combination of factors surrounding Council’s service provision still present unresolvable challenges for Council to continue deliver a contemporary, financially viable ELC service.

Council has also rejected the option of building a new hub, stating:

Initial estimates of the capital investment that would be required to construct a child and family hub on the Murrumbeena ELC site was conservatively estimated at $9.5M if the infrastructure project was built in 2024, rising to $10.04M if it was built in 2025. However, this could be higher depending on construction industry pricing escalation trends.

Consequently, the costs associated with building a new centre would have significant impact on Council’s budget and would reduce the capacity of Council to meet its current infrastructure commitments, including investment to unlock more open space, infrastructure improvements in Glen Eira’s parks and the ability to effectively maintain existing assets such as roads, footpaths, and community facilities.

Even with the potential for a $4.5M government grant the conclusion is – Council’s adopted Long Term Financial Plan has no budget provision for major building investments relating to the three ELCs.

What this final sentence does not acknowledge of course is that councils are free to amend their long term financial plans as they see fit and has been done repeatedly in the past.

As far as the consultation feedback report goes, we again have been denied the raw data, all the comments and emails. The employee consultation is deemed ‘confidential’ so all we get is a very short ‘summary’!!!!!!

If the only option to cut costs is seen as removing services, then we are in deep trouble. Yes, there are financial constraints on all councils, and yes, costs are rising. But how hard has this council tried to either increase their revenue, or cut costs in other areas? Staff numbers keep rising; consultant costs keep rising; and imposing levies on developers for car parking waivers, and community infrastructure both remain in the land of never-never.  Council’s simple solution is to withdraw services from the most vulnerable (aged care) and child care. Surely it should be up to communities to determine which services they believe should be subsidised and not a bunch of bureaucrats who earn over $200,000 per annum and a CEO who is rumoured to be on about $450,000 per year! Whilst other councils include statements about ‘savings’ in their budgets and annual reports, we can find nothing of this ilk in anything Glen Eira publishes.

What has also occurred here is the cart before the horse scenario. Our priorities consultation is yet to be published so that this decision is made BEFORE the community response is available – this assumes of course that the ‘consultation’ asked relevant questions!!!! Similar things occurred with structure planning and land use frameworks prior to the endorsement of the Housing Strategy. It would seem that this orchestrated approach is there to ensure that predetermined decisions are cemented despite what the community might think and want.

It is now over to councillors to make their decision. We can only hope that their primary objective is to represent the thousands of constituents who want this service to remain.

Statement from Mayor Cr Anne-Marie Cade on the passing of Cr David Zyngier

It is with deep sorrow and a heavy heart that we share the news of the passing of Camden Ward Councillor Dr David Zyngier.

Cr Zyngier’s passing is an immeasurable loss for Council. We extend our deepest condolences to Cr Zyngier’s family, friends, and all who had the privilege of knowing and working alongside him. Cr Zyngier is survived by his loving wife, Suzanne, children and grandchildren.

Cr Zyngier was the son of Holocaust survivors from Poland and was the first in his family to complete high school and attend university. He was a student at Melbourne Boys High School and then went on to study history and politics at Monash University. He later returned to Monash where he studied to become a humanities teacher.

Cr Zyngier was as well-known member of Glen Eira’s Jewish community. He worked in education for more than 35 years and was principal of a local Jewish school. He was an active member of his synagogue, Kehilat Nitzan, an advocate of Jewish LGBTIQA+ rights, and a member of the Jewish Climate Network. As a volunteer with the Ardoch Foundation, Courage to Care, and Father Bob Foundation, Cr Zyngier’s passion for giving a voice to the vulnerable permeated all that he did.

As a representative of his community, Cr Zyngier was a passionate advocate for climate action. Cr Zyngier co-founded the Glen Eira Emergency Climate Action Network, participated in the development of the Glen Eira 2040 Community Vision, and helped guide the Caulfield Racecourse Reserve Trust Land Management Plan. He helped develop Council’s target of achieving net zero Council emissions by 2025 and net zero community emissions by 2030. Cr Zyngier worked closely with young people across Glen Eira to give them a voice.  

As a member of the Metropolitan Transport Forum, Cr Zyngier advocated for integrated transport and improving connectivity in the local community. On the Local Government Working Group on Gambling, Cr Zyngier called for the reform of Victoria’s gambling laws in the lead up to significant reform to minimise harm from gaming machines. As a member of Council’s Community Engagement, Sustainability and Multicultural Advisory Committees, Cr Zyngier helped Council better engage with our community, respond to the climate emergency, and hear from people from all backgrounds.

Cr Zyngier never shied away from asking the big questions and challenging all of us to aim higher. The Chamber was richer for his contribution. During this difficult time, we come together with our community to support one another and honour the memory of Cr Zyngier. We owe a great debt to Cr Zyngier for the indelible mark he left on our organisation and community, and the positive influence he had on each of us personally and professionally.

Flags at Glen Eira Town Hall have been lowered to half-mast in a sign of respect. Details of any memorial services and arrangements will be shared as soon as they become available. May Cr Zyngier’s legacy continue to inspire us and strive to make a positive difference, just as he did.

Vale Councillor Dr David Zyngier.

From today’s Age

A grand bargain indeed: Why the property industry is smiling

By Royce Millar and Josh Gordon

September 23, 2023 — 5.00am

When the smiling heads of every property industry lobby in Victoria lined up on Wednesday with a packet of Sharpie permanent markers to sign what Premier Daniel Andrews dubbed his “Affordability Partnership”, the image said much about the winners and losers from Labor’s much-awaited housing statement.

Repeatedly on the day and since, Andrews lauded his government’s “grand bargain with our property industry friends”.

A bargain indeed. Andrews’ answer to the worst housing crisis in decades is a package of reforms aimed at speeding up and facilitating residential development, reforms that will deliver billions of dollars to developers and builders, but which will cost them little beyond a vague commitment to include more “affordable housing”.

Wind the clock to February 23, 2022, and it was a very different story. After years of policy work, the government had offered the property industry a very similar package of reforms. But it had demanded a quid pro quo – a special new levy expected to generate about $800 million a year for social housing.

As The Age reveals today, the levy was part of a bold plan to boost social housing spending and reverse the long decline in social housing as a proportion of overall housing. It was, in effect, a version of what is known as mandatory inclusionary zoning, whereby landowners and developers benefiting from development approvals are required to tip in a little for the wider social good.

At the time the government thought it had a deal whereby the influential Property Council would publicly support the levy. But at the eleventh hour there was disagreement, not about the fact of the levy, but about the amount. Where the government had proposed a levy of 1.75 per cent of the expected value of all newly built developments with three or more dwellings, the Property Council said it would only cop 1.5 per cent.

Andrews then withdrew the offer, accusing the industry of reneging on a deal. “I am not in the business of creating super profits for developers if they are unwilling to support sharing those profits,” railed the premier.

Nineteen months later that is exactly what Andrews has done.

This week’s housing statement includes the same carrots offered to the property industry last year, including legislation of reforms proposed by Victoria’s Red Tape Commissioner, a reduced role for councils in planning decisions, and more.

But gone is the stick – the levy the government had planned to use to build desperately needed housing for low-income earners like the cleaners and hospitality industry workers who keep the city ticking over but who are increasingly priced out of it.

Under Andrews “grand bargain”, developers will be able to seek to have projects approved especially quickly if they voluntarily offer to include a proportion of so-called “affordable” housing in their private projects.

In reality there is precious little in this overly-hyped housing statement that does much at all to improve affordability in any meaningful way. The government says the key is boosting supply, promising 80,000 homes a year for the next decade. Yet it has been vague on the details. What, for example, will be the mix between public housing and other forms of housing? When the government talks about “affordable housing”, what exactly does it mean? Affordable for whom?

As The Age reported this month, the government’s official parameters for “affordable” private rental actually leave many workers, such as cleaners and baristas, childcare and aged care staff, priced out of Melbourne’s inner-and middle-suburb rental market.

Noticeably absent from the conga-line of property-industry signatories to Andrews’ “affordability partnership” were any representatives from the community housing sector.

As Andrews himself suggested in February last year, a partnership involves give and take from both parties.

Wednesday’s housing package was more pandering than partnership.

In August last year Cade voted against the Carnegie structure plan. She has also voted against the housing strategy but was absent for the determinative vote. On East Village she voted in favour of mandatory heights. So what has now changed? Why are we suddenly seeing a trend in Cade’s voting that largely supports the admin’s and planning department’s agenda of high rise and more and more development in our activity centres?

Cade’s voting patterns since being elected deputy mayor are very interesting. Together with Athanasopolous and Magee she voted AGAINST the refusal of a permit for an application in Grafton Street Elsternwick. Other interesting voting patterns include:

  • Cade moved the motion for the Bentleigh Structure Plan
  • She voted against reducing the height of one section in the Caulfield South Activity Centre

Admittedly she has voted against various permit applications (ie Bentleigh RSL in Huntley Road) but on all the recent major strategic planning strategies, she has been an ardent supporter – which contrasts strongly with her previous position(s) on these matters. So we have to ask: Could this possibly have anything to do with her election as deputy mayor and earning the princely sum of $59,659 PLUS 9.5% p.a for a grand total of just under $66,000? Or has she undergone some religious ‘conversion’? If so, then she needs to explain this.

Cade’s motion of support for the draft on Tuesday night, was staggering in its deception, the obvious pre-arranged Dorothy Dix questioning of Torres, and failure to disclose the full picture in so many instances – ie the sins of omission! Nor can it be seen as a genuine councillor contribution to the debate when much of Cade’s version of events mirrored precisely what appeared in the July edition of the Glen Eira News –  basically, ‘don’t blame us, it’s all the government’s fault’! This has now become council’s escape clause for their repeated failures and refusal to (1) listen to the community and (2) adhere to sound strategic planning principles that actually enhance and preserve what residents see as vital aspects of residential amenity.

Here is what Cade stated. Please listen carefully.

“The Victorian government sets the agenda………”. True, but there is still plenty of scope within planning scheme for councils to create their own strategies. Approximately 25% of all planning schemes allow councils scope to introduce what they see as necessary for their communities. That’s why heaps of other councils have had structure plans for at least the past 15 years. That’s why other councils have implemented both ESD and WSUD (environment & water) in their planning schemes. Here in Glen Eira we are still waiting for a community infrastructure levy on developers, a car parking levy, or a WSUD policy – despite all being promised in 2016. In short, there is plenty that councils can do if they have the will. Whether or not a council’s proposed strategies will be approved by the Minister down the line is irrelevant at this early stage of structure planning. The focus should be on implementing sound strategic planning in line with community aspirations and which provides overall ‘community benefit’.   There is no ‘community benefit’ in having potentially ten storey buildings overlooking single storey homes in a heritage overlay. Nor is there community benefit in flogging off council owned land for potential ‘mixed use’ development or for social housing. If council was really serious about social housing then it would not have endorsed a policy which seeks a meagre 5% of dwellings as social housing. It would have included a percentage of at least 10=20%! All of the above has nothing whatsoever to do with the government and everything to do with this administration and its lackey, pro-development councillors!

Cade’s question to Torres repeats past practice on the Carnegie/Bentleigh structure plans of several years ago. What happens if the draft isn’t passed Cade asks? Torres’ response once again resorts to straight out fear-mongering when he says: ‘If tonight’s recommendation did not get supported, our structure planning process for Bentleigh would not proceed’!!!!!!!!!! Why not? Why can’t improvements be made, or does council believe everything it sets out is perfect? There is nothing that stops a council from revisiting its drafts (as has happened previously) and ensuring that it is as sound and strategically justified as possible. Furthermore, the issue is not about abandoning the draft. Those councillors who voted against it simply wanted improvement and implied that this was not up to scratch. Given that council still has 18 months to get it right, the suggestion that everything will lapse or be abandoned is outrageous. Nor is it a valid argument to say that the community wants structure plans for ‘better controls’ and so council is providing structure plans. This of course ignores the central question as to whether the final plans do in fact offer ‘better controls’.

Torres then goes even further with the statement that if the motion fails, then the Minister could ‘quite possibly remove those (interim) controls’ from Bentleigh. Fear mongering at its best!!!!! And without a shred to evidence to support this claim. We know of no other instance in planning history where a minister has removed existing interim DDO’s in their entirety prior to the date nominated.

Cade then goes on to a supposed explanation as to why the draft hasn’t included the recommendations of the government’s Urban Design Guidelines. She says that the guidelines are a ‘background document’ and therefore aren’t in the planning scheme – so presumably council can ignore them is the implication. What is not stated is that STRUCTURE PLANS are also considered as background documents and are NOT IN PLANNING SCHEMES either!!!!!!! What does get into planning schemes are the amendments which introduce the Design & Development Overlays. In Glen Eira all of the most important strategic plans are ‘background documents’ –ie East Village structure plan; City PLan, Activity Centre plans; Urban Design Guidelines, etc.

Finally, Cade states that ‘I am not going to talk about building heights and setbacks’ or ‘parking’ because ‘I am sure my fellow councillors will address’ these issues. Really? How on earth can you move a motion to support a structure plan without even mentioning the most important aspects of it, and the most contentious? If you support something, then the onus should be on providing evidence as to why potentially 10 storey developments are appropriate, or why a 5 metre setback (discretionary) is okay when other councils have managed 6 metre setbacks in their major activity centres?  But we guess it is easy to ignore the contentious issues and to simple promulgate more propaganda about everything being in the state’s control!

Cade’s conclusion is equally bizarre when she claims to want to hear from other councillors not only on what they like or dislike about the plan, but what they would ‘propose’ as an ‘alternative’. This is completely out of order since the possibility of an ‘alternative’ motion has already been rejected by Magee. Councillors are debating the motion as it stands and NOT what might be a feasible ‘alternative’.

Cade’s sudden ‘conversion’ is a concern. She is also doing the community a major disservice by simply regurgitating officer reports and presumably being complicit in staged Dorothy Dix questioning of officers only to provide them with the opportunity to further the set agenda. We remind her and our readers that stage managed debates are the antithesis of ‘robust’ discussion and serving the community with original thinking!

Council’s 2021/22 Annual Report claims to have held 27 community consultations. Of these only ONE in 2021 and ONE in 2022 published IN FULL all of the community feedback. Budget and financial plans are excluded from this calculation since they are required by law to be available.

What is clear is that over the past few years, on all the important issues such as structure planning, urban design frameworks, quality design guidelines, etc. this council has deliberately with-held the complete feedback that residents submitted. Instead the community has been provided with ‘summaries’ that we allege are far from representative of what residents stated. If it were otherwise, then why is access to these submissions denied?

We have had a litany of excuses – that the issue is ‘operational’ and therefore beyond councillors’ domain; that privacy and confidentiality are important; that the Engagement Strategy mandates that privacy be protected, etc. All of these are spurious and last ditch attempts to hide the truth. Even more galling is the fact that planning issues that will establish what happens in Glen Eira for the next 20 years are seen as needing only the ‘consult’ level of participation rather than ‘involve’ or ‘collaborate’ which other councils have implemented.

The past two years have seen some incredibly important decisions being made and residents being denied the full results of the accompanying consultations. We have mickey-mouse reporting instead. All of the following decision included mere ‘summaries’:

Glen Huntly Structure Plan

Carnegie Structure Plan

Housing Strategy (Stage 1 and Stage 2 Consultation)

Caulfield Station Structure Plan

Amendment C184 for Bentleigh and Carnegie structure plans

When 110 people show up in the middle of winter and in the midst of covid, and voice their views as they did at the Town Hall Forum, and this doesn’t even warrant a single word of feedback in the consultation summary, then we are in deep trouble. Readers might be interested to know that our recording of this evening has been downloaded 1,596 times already. Other recordings of important planning issues have also been downloaded hundreds and hundreds of times. Planning is definitely on people’s minds and there are certainly more than 150 people (according to Magee) who have concerns with what is happening. Check out these figures –

Finally, it beggars belief, as to why feedback on less important issues have in the past been published but not on the above list of issues. We maintain that this administration is determined to bulldoze through its plans regardless of what residents say they want. If it were otherwise, and consultation was indeed a genuine attempt to gather feedback and where possible act on this feedback then all results would be published. Instead we have an administration determined to censor contrary views, and determined to limit the role of residents and councillors. That is unconscionable.

By way of comparison, we gone through all the agendas from 2016-22 (the start of the McKenzie reign) and listed all those consultation feedbacks which were published in full. We’ve omitted budget, local law, etc reports. Please compare the importance of the following to the significance of these later planning issues.

One caveat to the above. When council first began their work on the various structure plans in 2017, and held their misleading online surveys such as ‘what do you like about your shopping strip’, the full results were published – including facebook comments. But this was well before residents were made aware of the repercussions of these ‘consultations’ and what it would mean for the final draft structure plans. Interestingly, privacy, confidentiality was not an issue back then and neither was this regarded as strictly ‘operational’. You can access these reports via this link –

https://www.gleneira.vic.gov.au/our-city/planning-for-the-future/the-future-of-bentleigh/bentleigh-community-consultation

PROPOSED NEW PARK, FOSBERY AVENUE AND ST AUBINS AVENUE, CAULFIELD

NORTH – 19th September 2016. Feedback – Emails, Phone and Letters; 2 Have Your Say – Forum Comments;3 Traffic Volume Analysis

JOYCE PARK – OPEN SPACE CONVERSION  – 13th June 2017 – Attachment 3: Feedback Received – Email Attachment 4: Feedback Received – Have Your Say Forum

ACTIVITY CENTRE, HOUSING AND LOCAL ECONOMY STRATEGY 25th July 2017 – all online survey responses and formal submissions

HARLESTON PARK OPEN SPACE AND PLAY SPACE UPGRADE CONSULTATION – 5th September 2017 – 2. Feedback – Email, mail and phone

3. Feedback – ‘Have Your Say’ Forum comments

EE GUNN RESERVE LANDSCAPE MASTERPLAN –5th September 2017 – . Feedback – Email and Phone; 3. Feedback – ‘Have Your Say’ Online Comments

TRANSFORMING MURRUMBEENA CONSULTATION REPORT – 17th October 2017 – Comments in full from “Have your say” discussion board

3 – Feedback received by email, phone and other channels

4 – Summary written feedback from information session

5 – Local Area Traffic Management Plan

HARLESTON PARK SMALL BASKETBALL COURT– 28th November 2017 – 2. Feedback – Email comments; 3. Feedback – ‘Have Your Say’ Forum comments;4. Feedback – Letter received with signatures

CAULFIELD WEDGE DOG PARK– 6th February 2018 – 3. Feedback – Email and phone comments;4. Feedback – ‘Have Your Say’ forum comments

COMMUNITY FEEDBACK ON THE IMPLEMENTATION OF A CLASSIFIED TREE REGISTER – 26th September 2018 – survey responses & submissions

PROPOSED NEW PARK – AILEEN AVENUE, CAULFIELD SOUTH – 5th February 2019 – 2. Have Your Say Feedback; Email Feedback; Phone Call Feedback

CAULFIELD PARK MASTERPLAN – 5th February 2019 –Have Your Say Forum Discussion  Email Feedback; 4. Community Meeting Feedback

GLEN EIRA ROOMING HOUSE STRATEGY – 21st May 2019 – 2019 – Consultation feedback

ROSANNA STREET RESERVE UPGRADE – STAGE TWO – 2nd July 2019 – Have Your Say Feedback ; Email Feedback;Phone Calls Feedback

DRAFT MURRUMBEENA PARK MASTERPLAN REFRESH – 3rd September 2019 – Survey feedback;5. Email feedback

BENTLEIGH EAT STREET – PROPOSED ONE-WAY TRAFFIC CHANGES

(NORTHBOUND) TO VICKERY STREET – 24th September 2019 – email, survey responses

HOPETOUN GARDENS LANDSCAPE MASTERPLAN – 16th October 2019 – Have Your Say feedback;Email feedback;Phone call feedback

FUTURE OF SPORT AND ACTIVE RECREATION – CONSULTATION OUTCOMES – 16th October, 2019 – Have your say comments

WALKING AND ACCESSIBILITY ACTION PLAN, CYCLING ACTION PLAN AND

PUBLIC TRANSPORT ADVOCACY PLAN – 17th December 2019 – emails, comments (but not on previous item for Inkerman Road cycle path)

CARNEGIE SWIM CENTRE REDEVELOPMENT OPTIONS – COMMUNITY

CONSULTATION OUTCOMES – Community Consultation responses’Community Voice’ survey results

 25th February 2020

PARKING POLICY – 17th March 2020 – Draft Parking Policy Engagement Report

OPEN SPACE STRATEGY REFRESH – 9th June 2020 – Feedback – Email and Letter; Have Your Say Forum

MULTIDECK CARPARKS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND CONSULTATION – 14th December 2021 – HYS Individual Comments; CV Individual Comments; WSP Report – Online Community Workshop; Chat – Online Community Workshop;;Social Media; Written Correspondence

MULTIDECK COMMUTER CARPARKS PROJECT – OUTCOMES OF COMMUNITY CONSULTATION – 30th August 2022 – MDCP – Social Media Feedback;. MDCP – Written Correspondence Feedback;MDCP – HYS Survey Responses

Why does Glen Eira’s webcast of its council meetings repeatedly run into major technological problems? And not for the first time the audio was impossible to follow.  Once again the meeting had to be halted so that the problem could be fixed Here’s a short example of what went on at the start:

When compared to the clarity of both sound and vision that other councils have, why are we so sub-standard?  Is it simply you get what you paid for? Yet even this does not excuse council’s incompetence. Why isn’t the sound tested BEFORE each meeting goes live? Why isn’t vision tested prior to going live? Surely when this council spends literally millions on technology each year, they could secure a system that is far more reliable and user-friendly.

Here are some screen dumps from other councils. In all cases both vision and sound are crystal clear.

MORELAND

KINGSTON

STONNINGTON

Finally, these two screen dumps from Boroondara where viewers can actually see WHAT is being discussed as well as the individual speaking-

At this morning’s recount for the vacant councillor position, Sue Pennicuik was elected to replace Pilling. This will mean that council now has 2 Greens (Zyngier & Pennicuik).

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