Residents beware! Council is pretending to undergo a ‘community consultation’ process on the Caulfield Park Conservatory. Despite the fact that the ill-named Community Plan endorses and emphasises the need for multiple methods of consultation, all that is being done in this case is a ‘survey’ with preset and predetermined questions. Far from being a ‘neutral’ set of questions, here we have questions that are not placed in context and completely fail to provide residents with the information that is essential in order for them to ‘prioritise’ a single thing. Grandiose statements such as “Council is asking residents to express their views via a survey” (from website) ignores the simple fact that there simply is no avenue for residents to write a single word about their views. It is all ‘tick the box’ approach to a predetermined and slanted set of questions.
Following a few demographic questions such as what use do you make of the park and whether the respondent is a resident or trader, the heart of the issue is presented as a series of ‘options’ that residents are requested to grade from 1 (most preferred) to 10 (least preferred). How convenient that ‘cafe’ is first in the alphabet and ‘repair/restore’ comes last!
Here are the relevant questions in the order they are presented:
Please list your preferred options for the Conservatory from 1 to 10 (1=most preferred to 10=least preferred).
- Cafe – indoor/outdoor – capacity 50
- Cafe/tearooms – indoor/outdoor – capacity 80-100
- Children’s garden/playspace
- Community room/s
- Native/sustainable garden/environmental education hub
- Plant nursery
- Recreational/exercise area
- Remove Conservatory and return to open space
- Repair, restore and replant gardens
- Other
No real definition of anything is provided nor the implications. If the ‘capacity’ of 80 -100 is chosen as Number 1, then what does this mean in terms of ‘footprint’ of the ‘café’. How much open space will be lost to accommodate this number since it is certain that the current conservatory size will never be capable of seating this number within its walls. And exactly what is a ‘café’? Will full meals be served? Will the place remain open until late at night? Will there be a liquor license? And what of toilets/sewerage, kitchens, loading bays, parking and general access? Will we have roads built into the park to enable access for all service deliveries? How much more land will be lost? How many trees will be placed in jeopardy?
Asking residents to ‘prioritise’ when they have absolutely no idea of what it is they are prioritising is devious, deceptive, and deliberately misleading. Yet, council has no qualms in spending ratepayers’ money on glossy, meaningless ‘surveys’ if they know it will get the Lipshutz’s of this world the result that he and the other ‘conservatives’ want!
Another issue – apart from the question of using public open space for commercial purposes – : who will pay for this ‘redevelopment’? Will council outfit the place and then simply lease it to some commercial operator as it has done with the café at GESAC for the princely sum of over $300,000? Will Council and therefore ratepayers pay for sewerage connections? Will we pay for access roads or will the lessee have to cover ALL the costs?
We reiterate! None of the answers to these questions have been included in the bogus ‘survey’. It is akin to asking people to vote on something that they have no idea of what they’re voting for. Only when residents can evaluate the options based on a full understanding of what they actually mean can we call this ‘consultation’. Only when residents are offered the opportunity to actually express their individual views as they wish, can we have any faith in any of the ‘consultation process’ that this council introduces.
July 1, 2013 at 1:55 PM
Number 9 for me 9.Repair, restore and replant gardens
July 1, 2013 at 2:07 PM
If you’re going to have over 100 people flocking to a cafe then the whole building has to be redone. That’s going to cost a lot more than $300,000. The place will have to be bigger plus all the health regulations taken into account for toilets and kitchens and so on. We’re talking pretty big money here so I don’t think anyone is going to fork out this outlay. It will then become council’s job to do the rebuilding and all the other stuff.
The idea of going to consultation only got through on a vote of 5 to 4. Delahunty swapped sides and sided with the gang. Shame on her and shame on the gang for not having any scruples about how much public money they waste all the time. I’m just thinking whether there’s somneone already lined up to run the business and who they might be friends with. It’s good when you can start a business and have everyone else paying the costs.
July 1, 2013 at 3:08 PM
The options themselves do not make any sense to me. After spending approximately $5m on the Caulfield Pavilion is there any need for more community rooms? If we were provided with the number of bookings for the existing rooms then perhaps there might be some legitimate reason to entertain the idea of more of these facilities. We’re not given any figures and I seriously doubt that we’re in need of any more. I’d be even more surprised if the $5m investment had recouped a fraction of its cost from community bookings.
I’ve absolutely no idea what an “exercise area” means and whether it’s required. Scattered throughout the park there already are several exercise stations. We have Gesac for the full blown recreation/exercise. That should be enough.
I very much admire the linguistic turn of phrase that has surfaced with “Remove conservatory and return to open space”. The implication of course is that the conservatory is an impediment to open space or that it doesn’t count as open space. The same argument isn’t used when car parks continually encroach on parkland. Here car parks are counted as being part of open space regardless of how unusable they are for recreation and anything else to do with parkland.
All in all the “survey” is geared towards achieving the creation of a restaurant in the middle of public open space.
July 1, 2013 at 4:41 PM
The building has been neglected for a long time. It should be restored and council has got to stop letting parks become businesses. There’s enough cafes in the area anyway.
July 1, 2013 at 7:39 PM
The Conservatory is very much an ‘icon’ and has been one for several number of years. It is sad to see the gang wants to get rid of it. Wasn’t Delahunty accused of being a protege of Danby? by Lipshultz and Hyams jumping thereafter to respond to Danby on behalf of the Councillors? He signed his letter to the editor of Jewish newspaper as a ‘Mayor’ Was Hyams authorised by other Councillors to write the letter? Hyams is well known to jump into a pigsty when it comes to defending his mates including the liberal M.P’s – Southwick and Miller even if they are on the wrong side!!!!!
July 1, 2013 at 9:17 PM
The amount of time and money that has been spent on the conservatory is obscene. It’s come back to council 3 times. Twice should have been enough. But the gang are like a dog with a bone. Lose once, twice but keep trying. Why this keeps coming up needs investigation and who is behind it also needs the full microscope. There are at least 5 coffee shops within 100 metres plus a full scale restaurant to boot. Enough is enough. Fix the place up and maintain it – that’s what should have been happening but it’s been run down, underfunded, and left to go to ruin. A dilapidated building suits the argument for a brand spanking new cafe a lot better I suppose.
July 1, 2013 at 10:38 PM
Wonder if Grill’d have submitted an EOI, contingent on Council doing certain works to make it economically viable.
July 2, 2013 at 7:55 AM
More than likely – Council is currently doing a survey (nearby traders and residents) to remove three parking spots in Glen Huntly Road so that on-street bicycle parking can be provided. All other shopping strips provide bicycle parking via on-footpath hoops.
The Glen Huntly on-street bicycle parking is on the south side of Glen Huntly Road and is adjacent/opposite the busy St. Georges Road T intersection. It will require cyclists to go around the fenced off alfresco dining area of a food serving establishment – no prizes for guessing the name of the food serving establishment.
July 1, 2013 at 11:25 PM
As an amateur how do the figures stand up… when one considers public toilets in South Caulfield last year cost almost this amound and the list of other necessities for a cafe would includ
1, 2 kitchens as in the park already one for the also ran and one for the
Jewish food preparation
2. A roadway for delivery for delivery of goods and removal of waste.
3. Provision of statuary car parking requirements in the park… more green
grass and tree robbery robbery
4 Provision of pedestrian crossings along these park tracks
5 Disturbance and destruction of a generally quiet secluded area
6 Yet another commercial pressure on residents and all park users to
bring money.
7. Papers and other wrappers being blown alll over park
8 The need for more ugly rubbish bins and industrial bins which would be
required as a result of commercialisation of this park.
What a disgrace we have been voting for years on this issue… our answer is constantly… KEEP THIS BUILDING AS A CONSERVATORY FOR PLANTS.
IT IS SPECIAL AND UNIQUE it must be preferred rather than a common old cafe,
July 1, 2013 at 11:52 PM
Our household was contacted today and when legitimate queries were put to the interviewer to further explain the questions she was unable to do so.
In my opinion, it is not a survey to gather useful thoughts, opinions and possible outcomes from the community, but a tendentious exercise and a total waste of money. If my memory serves me correctly this matter was dealt with previously, money allocated for repairs and nothing happened – all the while the building falls further and further into disrepair.
July 2, 2013 at 11:22 AM
You shouldn’t blame the poor messenger on this one. They’re only doing their jobs and don’t know a damn thing apart from what they’re told to do. The ones that you should blame are those incompetents and vested interests that sit in plush offices that we pay for and those councilors who haven’t a clue about listening to residents.
July 2, 2013 at 11:50 AM
It was never my intention to blame the ‘messenger’, but to show the stupidity of a survey which confuses rather than clarifies a situation that has gone on for years.
July 2, 2013 at 12:06 PM
I wasn’t having a go at you. I was having a go at the same people you are and trying a bit of sarcasm. The plebs have to do what they’re told otherwise they get the sack. They have to fit in and act like robots – “I see nothing, I say nothing, I know nothing”. That’s how you build up a council like Glen Eira that gets away with blue murder and doesn’t give a stuff about the people they’re supposed to be working for.
July 2, 2013 at 6:32 PM
We got a phone call too. Not from council but from a hired consulting firm. There’s no limit to how much is being spent to get the results that they want. Not enough money for other things but for this there’s no limit to the waste.
July 2, 2013 at 7:36 AM
I wonder how long it took Burke and his team to come up with this tailor designed “impartial alphabetic” list that places Lipshutz’s preferred options in the top spots (1 & 2) and the community’s preferred option (as per the 2010 consultation) second last (it would have been at the bottom if the alphabetic sequence had been adhered to).
I’m betting they gave more consideration to the list sequence than they did to either the implications (loss of parkland, community benefits) of each option or the community’s clearly expressed preference.
July 2, 2013 at 12:15 PM
Is Delahunty the chair of the Community Consultation Committee? What is she chairing and who are the Community Representatives and what was their input on this survey? The survey is just Baloney!
July 2, 2013 at 12:43 PM
What’s going on? I’ve received a conservatory questionnaire in the mail! Are they doing both a mail out and phoning? The photos of the conservatory exterior in the brochure make it look like a cow shed it has become so degraded and boarded up.
July 2, 2013 at 7:25 PM
At least we can say we are being consulted, so council gets a tick for that. However, no ticks for the way it is being handled. A 4-page brochure was a great chance for a little more detail re the questions, eg what is a ‘recreational/exercise area’ – a gym? And the old 2001 C’field Park Master Plan trotted out again. This should have been reviewed long ago given the huge GE population increase and with no input that I know of by any of the new councillors elected since 2001.
July 2, 2013 at 3:31 PM
The Leader is running a story that Jim Magee has put his hand up for preselection for Labor in Hotham. See: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/central/glen-eira-councillor-to-put-hand-up-for-preselection/story-fngnvlpt-1226673245322
July 2, 2013 at 8:08 PM
Magee is on another planet