Below is an article from The Leader. It appears that there is literally no end to Lipshutz’s expertise, talent, self-importance, and arrogance. Leaving aside the question of racism, we simply ask:
- Shouldn’t Lipshutz leave such questions to the Federal Police and/or ASIO?
- How would any ‘reasonable’ man interpret such as question?
- We are quite prepared to supply Lipshutz with a dictionary so that he may acquaint himself with the meaning of the word ‘innocuous’!
None of this is new. In fact we reported upon it years ago. See: https://gleneira.wordpress.com/2011/11/05/where-has-the-old-cr-lobo-gone/
No amount of spin can disguise the fact that Glen Eira Council has never been, and continues not to be, the happy ‘club’ that Newton and his cohorts so desperately try to portray, but a council forever divided, secretive, punitive and dysfunctional.
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Glen Eira councillor defends “terrorist” question he asked colleague three years ago
- Andrea Kellett
- October 31, 2013 12:04AM
A GLEN Eira councillor who asked a fellow councillor if he had worked for a bank linked to terrorists says the question was fair and innocuous and not racist.
Cr Michael Lipshutz has defended the email he sent to Cr Oscar Lobo three years ago, which was also sent to the other seven councillors, chief executive Andrew Newton and two other officers.
The email was shown to the Caulfield Glen Eira Leader this week – two weeks out from Glen Eira Council’s mayoral election, which Cr Lobo plans to contest.
Cr Lipshutz today confirmed he sent the email, described it as “innocuous” and said it was asked in the context of discussions at the time.
In it he listed six questions he wanted Cr Lobo to answer.
One stated: “Given his long history in the Middle East, whether he personally or any bank with whom he was employed has been involved in transfer of funds to any organisation listed by either the Australian government or the US Government as a terrorist organisation or a supporter of a terrorist organisation?”
Cr Lobo said the email implied he had terrorist links and had offended him and he did not reply to it.
When the Leader asked Cr Lipshutz if the terrorist question was racially motivated or would appear so to the community, given Cr Lobo’s Indian background, he denied his email was racist.
“I’m not saying he was involved,” Cr Lipshutz said.
“That can’t be racist.”
He said he simply wanted more information about Cr Lobo, who at the time had put his hand up to be mayor.
“There was nothing behind it, no attack at all,” Cr Lipshutz said.
“I said it in the context of something that we were discussing at the time, he never answered and I never followed up because there was no need to follow up.”
The email has surfaced at a sensitive time for Glen Eira. On October 15 Cr Lobo, currently deputy mayor, said a fellow councillor had told him he was not fit to be mayor and that officers could not understand him as English was not his “mother tongue”.
“It is a racial discrimination,” he said in the council chamber.
Glen Eira Council’s mayoral elections will be held on November 12 and Mayor Jamie Hyams does not plan to recontest, having served two terms.
Greens councillor Neil Pilling is a likely contender and confirmed he was keen to be mayor, had told his fellow councillors and felt he had a “reasonable chance”.
In 2005 the council at the time was sacked after a municipal investigation found multiple failings that included a “serious break-down in working relationships between councillors”.
Glen Eira Council spokesman Paul Burke said: “The then Mayor Cr Tang responded to all councillors in relation to the email of 27 November 2010 that you refer to.”
“Councillor conduct is regulated by the Code of Conduct adopted by council. The Code provides mechanisms for councillors to deal with disputes and complaints. As with all organisations, employees do not regulate the behaviour of employers.”
October 31, 2013 at 6:37 PM
Lipshutz was more concerned about what is happening in the Middle East rather than in his own backyard. (MODERATORS: REST OF COMMENT DELETED).
October 31, 2013 at 6:57 PM
This forum must be pro-Israeli, my comments were perfectly valid. I did not swear!
You Moderators are hopeless.
October 31, 2013 at 6:58 PM
This forum is a dictatorship, your comments are blocked if the moderators disagree.
This is a disgrace.
October 31, 2013 at 6:59 PM
genuine debate what lies.
October 31, 2013 at 7:00 PM
moderators who blocked my comment and why?
October 31, 2013 at 7:10 PM
I won’t have any trouble finding out who you are.
October 31, 2013 at 7:01 PM
by changing the post, you have failed to hear the peoples voice.
October 31, 2013 at 7:09 PM
Dear Anonymous,
the ‘people’s voice’ is one thing. Comments that are unsubstantiated, if not defamatory, are another thing all together. You are obviously entitled to your opinion and that is fine. However, when the comments deflect the focus and introduce another element all together, then we will ‘moderate’. The post is about governance and councillor conduct. It is not about who is, or is not, a ‘terrorist’.
October 31, 2013 at 7:16 PM
It is not opinion but fact, I have hundreds of sources. The very question was who is, or who is not a “terrorist.” “Deflect the focus” this is how politicians speak when avoiding answering a question directly.
You of all people should know this, now you are avoiding questions much like the councillors you deplore.
Now the shoes on the other foot glen eira debates, prove your worth.
October 31, 2013 at 7:18 PM
My comments were not defamatory, I did not defame anyone who hasn’t already been called a terrorist by the australian authorities.
Who is your legal team?
Oh I forgot you don’t have one, that must be why.
October 31, 2013 at 7:21 PM
another element? what about the post speaking about “promises.”
This is Orwellian, and I can play that game too.
October 31, 2013 at 7:38 PM
My post was entirely in reference to councillor conduct. Are you too scared to air my post?
October 31, 2013 at 8:03 PM
I’ve thrashed you glen eira debates.
October 31, 2013 at 8:25 PM
Get a life wil ya. It’s there site and they can do what they bloody well like.
October 31, 2013 at 8:36 PM
So it is a dictatorship? I thought so, how disappointing.
October 31, 2013 at 8:38 PM
Well moderators should expect backlashes, if you can’t handle the heat get out of the kitchen.
October 31, 2013 at 8:43 PM
See, I thought they were committed to facilitating genuine debate, I suppose they should change it to committed to facilitating an extremist Orwellian dictatorship.
October 31, 2013 at 8:29 PM
This simply isn’t good enough glen eira debates. My post exceeds all the conditions you’ve listed above, yet you still won’t air it. You won’t even air the name I mentioned in my post.
It just goes to show that when push comes to shove, you don’t have it in you to represent the views of community members. Our views play second fiddle to your interpretation of political correctness.
You obviously value the latter rather than the former. I will relinquish the floor to straiten this out before things it gets out of hand, and we reach the point of no return.
October 31, 2013 at 7:02 PM
Lobo should wake up to the fact that he’s got buckleys of being mayor. Screaming racism won’t wash. This is politics for the big boys and bigger fool him for making the devil’s agreement with Hyams. The gang have got their new stooge all set to go – Pilling. They owe him anyway after the C60 and a few other bits tossed in. Maybe now some councillors will have learnt not to sell their souls for a crappy promise that was never intended to be kept in all likelihood.
If by chance Lobo has got some ammunition against Lipshutz and the others, then I’d say go for it! Take them to the cleaners. If not, then stop whingeing – this is the big league not kindergarten.
October 31, 2013 at 7:48 PM
You obviously work for glen eira debates, hi there.
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October 31, 2013 at 7:29 PM
I visited a bank once and the tellers name was “Terry Wrist” no joking here
October 31, 2013 at 7:55 PM
It this is even half true Cr Lipshutz’s behaviours are shocking.
It looks like he tries to hide his personal failing behind that terrible history called the holocaust, his personal behaviours are in his mind – all justified by these past atrocities. What’s disappointing is that he brings this baggage into a community forum. Our Council – our community – our elected leaders should be working on a level above his gutter mind-set. I know many Jews that have lifted themselves out of this gutter of mistrust. And that’s not to say that they have forgotten history or have abandoned their heritage, the very opposite is the case, they share all they have with friends regardless. And what I have noticed is that it has freed them to trust the wider community, and also enjoy that community they live in. Sure there is always going to be clowns, dickheads and fools that will tarnish any civilized community standards, and Cr Lipshutz is shaping up to be one of these.
October 31, 2013 at 8:39 PM
Somehow I get the distinct impression that Paul Burke’s words of wisdom are spoken with tongue firmly planted in cheek. The code of conduct is a totally useless document since it contains no repercussions for breaches and only the majority decides what is a breach. When the gang gangs up on a councillor then and only then is it off to the councillor conduct panel with you!
Tang’s email to all and sundry does not fit my definition of mediation. Surely that should be between the two parties and not for everyone including the likes of Newton and Burke.
Lobo should have lodged a formal complaint then and there. Three years down the track just smells of sour grapes because he isn’t going to be mayor. As for Lipshutz, he will continue to be his arrogant self until his arrogance makes him unpalatable to everyone.
There’s one thing that’s certain in all of this. Glen Eira would be a lot better off without Lipshutz, Esakoff, Hyams, Lobo, Newton and Burke. And that’s just for starters.
October 31, 2013 at 9:15 PM
Instead of abusing the moderators your anger and energies should be directed to Lipshutz. You might like to ask him, either personally, via email, or as a public question whether he thinks his “rhetorical question” is against the good conduct guidelines of the councillors code of conduct. You might even go so far as to ask him whether he would be willing to tender a public apology. Then to be very fair you should also ask Lobo what on earth might have provoked such a statement? I’d go much much further and ask if anyone was censured and what was done about it. If nothing happened then does that mean that all councillors believe this is appropriate behaviour from Lipshutz.
October 31, 2013 at 10:48 PM
Getting to be mayor is big bikkies. Over 90,000 bikkies. Worth fighting for and all you have to do is cut a few ribbons, make a few speeches written by Burke, plot with Andrew behind everyone’s back and the job is yours for as long as you want it that’s if you behave and do what your told. If you don’t then they set the rat pack onto you and your history. Face it Oscar they don’t like you because they don’t know what’s coming out of your mouth next minute.
November 1, 2013 at 8:43 AM
Lipshutz lack of tolerance, and his willingness to defend his comments is vile. Imagine how he conducts himself behind closed doors.
It is obvious to anyone who knows the council intimately, that Lipshutz pulls all the strings. Lobo is a fighter, he is the one councillor who is not intimidated by Lipshutz.
Once again I back him 100%.
November 1, 2013 at 8:59 AM
No matter which way you look at it, the question is offensive as it implies that any person, who has had any connection with the middle east (ethnic origin, lived there, worked for a middle eastern company) and who has satisfied federal background checks, can legitimately be asked about “terrorism associations” (however tenuous) by someone without any knowledge and even less authority.
Far from being “ïnnocuous” the question was, and still is, offensive, inappropriate and irrelevant.
Both at the time it was raised and now when it’s made public It raises serious questions about the questioners and recipients personal judgement and the functionality (or dysfunctionality) of Council.
November 1, 2013 at 9:10 PM
How could he possibly associate countries of middle east origin with terrorist activities. Isn’t the motherland from the same region?
November 1, 2013 at 9:53 AM
Do we have a Tendulkar in Glen Eira? Lobo has runs on the board since the last 18 months. A long time banker as his profile says has proved prudent better late than never. Sceptics hold your guys without bullet.
Is Lobo the second “little master” in Glen Eira? I believe he is 5+ meters in height and another 5 meters entrenched in the ground. Does history tell us anything about short people or buddha as he is called by his very close friends? Yes it is true he sits in the shopping centres/strips.
I long time resident of 60 years said to us that Glen Eira has been a (MODERATORS: phrase deleted) council since the sacking of Hyams and Esakoff in 2005 and now with Lipshultz and Okotell playing games, they should be sacked again. Heard that Pilling has been approached by Lipshultz to be the Mayor for 2013/2014 with the support of Hyams and the other two of their gang.
What does that tell us about Greens? Can Pilling swap his eyes or is he drugged not to see 4 snakes before him?
November 1, 2013 at 10:46 AM
Oscar, Oscar, Oscar
November 1, 2013 at 4:07 PM
Maybe Lipshutz is Mr ASIO with a licence to kill
November 1, 2013 at 6:11 PM
more likely Mr. MOSSAD
November 1, 2013 at 8:31 PM
Cr. Lipshutz should focus on the long over due and much promised review of the Local Law with particular emphasis on Tree Protection and Organised Sport. Both are 10 years in the not making and due to make their regular bi-annual appearance shortly. Once again much negative publicity will ensue.