Item: Right of Reply
Penhalluriack read his ‘right of reply’ (published in the agenda) concerning an earlier request (November 2nd) as to why numerous Officer reports had not been tabled at ordinary council meetings and why Esakoff’s statement had subsequently ‘disassociated’ Council from his statement.
TANG: raised a ‘point of order’. Stated that what Penhalluriack said contains ‘a reference to council’s actions’ and ‘as a member of council’ he wants to ‘correct’ this and also Penhalluriack’s correction of the Mayor, although ‘I do not feel it is my place to do that’. So raised a ‘point of order’ requesting ‘Right of Reply’ on Penhalluriack’s commentary where he would address issues concerning council ‘generally’.
ESAKOFF: ‘Yes you can Cr Tang. Go right ahead’
TANG: Repeated Penhalluriack’s statement that council has no reason to disassociate itself from anything he had said and quoted the last section. ‘I think that’s a reference to what council’s done…I don’t accept that entirely…..(long servicing councillors) have received a number of the reports that Cr Penhalluriack was referring to…..there is an argument that council (should have them tabled at ordinary meetings) but that argument weighs against every one of us as councillors I don’t think it’s in Cr Penhalluriack’s ability to disassociate himself from that (since as a member of council he’d have to include himself as having breached the local government act)….’if we want a report at an ordinary council meeting we will specify that’…..I am of the belief that there is no requirement….in the Local Government Act…(also went on to say that Penhalluriack’s claim that he hasn’t received any advice from councillors is) ‘clearly a false statement….because I believe….I received a circular….which identified….where these reports went….I thought I received the same circular as every other councillor received.’
COMMENT
There is clearly a double set of standards operating at this council, especially when it comes to Cr Penhalluriack. Cr. Penhalluriack’s Right of Reply was available (for the first time ever) in the agenda papers. This means that every councillor would have had prior notice of what he was about to say. Under the ‘no surprises policy’ the Local Law also states :
“The statement must be made in writing and included in the notice paper for the next ordinary meeting of Council except where the comments referred to in subclause 238(1) have arisen since the printing of the agenda”.
Tang’s response, and Esakoff’s complicity in allowing him to raise both a point of order and a Right of Reply are unconscionable and contravene Council’s own set of laws. It is absolutely clear that there are one set of rules for Penhalluriack and another for the gang. We will expand-
- Esakoff is mandated to provide reasons for allowing Tang to raise a point of order and agreeing to it. She did not.
- If Tang has a legitimate point of order, then this should have been raised BEFORE Penhalluriack spoke and NOT AFTER – especially since he knew exactly what Penhalluriack was going to say.
- The point of order morphed into a ‘Right of Reply’. Why wasn’t Tang’s ‘Right of Reply’ published in the agenda together with Penhalluriack’s? Did Tang, in effect give prior notice as required by the Local Law? If not, then why was he allowed to get away with this tactic? Why did no other councillor and especially the Mayor rule him out of order?
- Tang’s statement is an absolute nonsense and designed to not only cloud the issue that Penhalluriack raised but to protect Newton. The facts are clear: Not all requests for reports are tabled in ordinary council meetings – that is what Penhalluriack said. Esakoff confirmed this in her statement when she admitted that reports are often presented in assembly meetings. Tang also confirmed this. Hence Penhalluriack’s statements are not ‘false’, nor ‘incorrect’, but truthful and accurate. Hence his statement that council has no reason to disassociate itself from his statement is also correct and legitimate. What is far from legitimate according to Council’s own idiosyncratic ‘no suprises’ rules, is Tang’s ‘point of order’ and then ‘Right of Reply’. We believe there was absolutely no need for it and surmise that the only motive could have been to defuse (and smear?) Penhalluriack. We also believe that this was an orchestrated tactic given Esakoff’s ruling in allowing such a statement. This entire episode again speaks volumes as to the hypocrisy and double standards operating at Glen Eira.
December 14, 2011 at 7:26 AM
So which of the 5 grounds did Cr Tang rely upon in raising his “Point Of Order”, and what reasons did Cr Esakoff give in supporting him? From the report of the meeting above it appears neither has complied with the Local Law. Still, we’re getting used to that. Its a bit of a stretch to describe Council as having double standards in a matter where it has no standards. Not in behaviour, not in integrity. We have pointed it out to them repeatedly here that they’re not complying with LGA or Local Law and there are no signs of any improvement. Its not good enough for Cr Tang to rely on his flawed memory either. Cr Hyams had to bail him out on a previous occasion, rewriting the minutes to cover up a gaff.
As for the substantive matter, as a body “our” councillors have voted to suppress a report designed to find out the reasons why so many requested reports had not been included in council minutes and as a result not accessible to the public. It should be weighing on their collective consciences just why they have done so. Its now clear the manipulation of the public record concerning the matter Cr Penhalluriack raised was deliberate, wilful, and defamatory.
December 14, 2011 at 10:57 AM
You seem to have a fairly high principals. No one has talked about the fact that Cr. Lobo did not attend last nights meeting. I reckon he is highly likely to be missing for tonights mayoral election. That may mean the election of our mayor is decided by a name drawn from a hat. If this turns out to be the case then Cr. Lobo will be seem as a person unfit to remain on the Glen Eira Council. I am sure he is quick to cash the cheque from the $20,000 we ratepayers stump up for him to make decisions on our behalf. Being a councillor ensures that peoples character is seen by all.
December 14, 2011 at 11:33 AM
What a fascinating idea – the no show of Lobo. Guess he doesn’t want to be king maker and offend his new found friends or offend the other side any more than he already has. Somebody should check the hat though if Newton is going to draw out the winning lottery. Sounds great and fits in really well. Magicians drawing bunnies out of the hat. Sums up Glen Eira in a sentence.
December 14, 2011 at 7:45 AM
With this lot it’s pretty clear that anyone who rocks the boat is in for a hard time. Penhalluriack keeps rocking the boat. The gang closes in, work out their strategies beforehand and nail him each time. But there’s hope folks. Each time Lipshutz, Hyams, Esakoff and Tang resort to these tactics they blow their cover. They end up being Newton’s patsies and they’ll pay for it big time come elections. There’s also comfort in knowing that theirs and Newton and Burke’s antics are keeping both the Ombudsman and the Municipal Inspector in business. Good will ultimately triumph when enough people kick up a stink about what goes on in this place. Politically it isn’t a good look for State politicians either and poor ol Hyams might soon find this out when decent liberals decide they’ve had a gutfull of Newton and the entire gang.
December 14, 2011 at 10:01 AM
I am getting heartely tired of Çouncils application of the laws and meeting procedures. The laws and prccedures are there to ensure open, transparent and accountable decision making.
They are not toys to be bandied around and randomly applied to stiffle or discredit. The fact that Council blatantly does this is truly appalling and says more about those that participate in, or support, these actions than it does about the victims (yes victims).
December 14, 2011 at 10:19 AM
Aside from wishing to change, “randomly applied” to “selectively applied” I agree with Disgruntled.
I add that not only is this disruptive and counterproductive (hence a complete waste of time, effort and $’s) but it is also totally unnecessary and abhorrent
December 14, 2011 at 10:24 AM
Tang and weasel words,
“I thought” this and thought that,
not the stuff you would bet your house on, Steven.
Typical lawyer speak, words with no substance and possibly little truth.
I thought I was dead but here I am, just shows how wrong you can be.
December 14, 2011 at 12:20 PM
Hey, I thought I saw (MODERATORS: name deleted) at the brothel last night.
“Please forgive if I was mistaken” it may have been some else.
December 14, 2011 at 12:36 PM
The reports from last night’s council meeting show the lengths that this council will go to in order to protect and support the administration. Basic principles such as fair play, integrity, and I’d also like to put in honesty, are non existent. Ultimately the law itself has become an instrument through which to manipulate and distort events. Penhalluriack’s only “crime” is that he is making more and more people aware of the outrages that have been occuring for probably as long as this council has been in existence. When administrators begin to think that it is they, rather than the elected representatives who actually decide issues, then it is nigh time that they were removed. Councillors who support such outrageous behaviour should also be removed forthwith.
December 14, 2011 at 12:43 PM
I didn’t see (MODERATORS: name deleted) and the brothel last night.
I thought, he was some where else
December 14, 2011 at 4:10 PM
Strange, I thought I saw him, but apparently he wasn’t there
Moderator! … Just who started all this silly brothel nonsense anyhow?
“I think you know”
No names need to be divulged, just thoughts, they seem to work just as well