The Mahvo Street development was the second application to be tossed out at Tuesday night’s Council Meeting. A terrific result and we once again applaud the efforts of residents. But, as with the previous Morrice St decision, consistency has never been a hallmark of this council. We note that telling a few porkies to the assembled throng in order to back up spurious arguments also doesn’t hurt.
What needs to be strongly emphasised is:
- Mahvo Street is anything but INTACT – a word employed by several councillors. Of the 40 plus houses in the street proper, countless are recent developments and multiple single and double storey units are common. There are also old, run down weatherboards just waiting to be picked off by developers.
- Council’s own Online Planning Register reveals that from March 2000 there were 20 applications for this street. 9 were for 2 lot subdivisions. Of these 20 applications only 2 were refused and 1 withdrawn. Far from an ‘intact’ area!
- The claim that it is ‘predominantly single dwelling’ is thus also dubious. What WERE once single lots have now been subdivided and replaced by two and more dwellings Just under half of the street features these subdivisions and most are now double storey dwellings.
When councillors get up and propagate falsehoods in support of their arguments, then there is something drastically wrong with our council, our system, and the ability of these people to represent us! Either these councillors never visited the street and are relying on dubious reports, or they are deliberately misrepresenting the situation. Neither possibility is enough to excuse them.
We provide our ‘evidence’ below. These photos were all taken on the 22nd March, 2012. Two photos feature the view facing onto Centre Rd and are taken from Mahvo Street itself. There were many other residences which included long driveways with units nestled in the back which we didn’t bother to photograph and encroach on people’s private property.
As for the ‘debate’, here’s what happened.
Lobo moved the motion to refuse on the grounds not compatible with urban and neighbourhood character, mass, bulk, streetscape, neighbourhood character, set back, parking, design, ‘detrimental impact’ on surrounding areas/neighbours. Magee seconded.
LOBO: ‘predominantly single dwelling’ (street and family oriented). Stated that the planning conference ‘clearly showed the troubled state of mind of the residents’. Claimed that this proposed development is ‘nothing but insane’ and a ‘monstrosity’. Height will cause lack of privacy and enjoyment of lifestyle. Also will be ‘traffic chaos’ because of proximity to Centre Rd, train station and bus stops. Ambulances therefore wouldn’t have a clear run with all this congestion and people parking on the street and nature strips. Flow on effect to other streets and would set a precedent ‘for other builders’. Impact will be on streetscape and the ‘investment’ of people. Size of objectors must be ‘acknowledged’. Government’s attempt to have 5 million people settled in Melbourne shows ‘who cares a rats for the value of the property’. Stated that the government needs to get its act together and that ‘before long’ film producers will be making the equivalent of Slum Dog Millionaire in Melbourne.
MAGEE: ‘Mahvo street at the moment is INTACT’ unlike Lillimur St. There’s an ‘opportunity’ to save ‘not just this street but’ (most of Bentleigh and East Bentleigh). Said that because these are in an ‘urban street’ he would ‘treat them as a Minimal Change Area’ (because) ‘there’s no difference from this house to my house up in East Bentleigh’…..’deliberate overdevelopment of this site’…’beginning of the end for this street’ (if we let developer go through with this). Claimed that this was the perfect example of ‘inappropriate development’ and that at last election councillors had vowed to fight this..’Let’s save this street, let’s save Bentleigh, let’s save East Bentleigh…’
LIPSHUTZ: Admitted to chairing the planning conference and hearing objections. Stated that as councillors they have to ‘approach this from the point of view of planning law’ (disagreed with Lobo’s claim about loss of value of property). Reminisced about when he was growing up there were many red clinker brick properties in the street and on a recent visit to that street they were now gone, and ‘street is ruined’. So with a street like Mahvo, which is ‘INTACT’, ‘I think that’s an issue that has to be considered’. Thought that 3 stories was too high although thought that the street would ultimately have development….’this development is not sympathetic’ to neighbouhood. Spoke about traffic and lack of trees that were ‘on paper’ in the plans but weren’t there in reality. In the end it’s an ‘inappropriate development’.
FORGE: It’s a Major Activity Centre and there’s a ‘problem with grade separation’ because of the station, leading to terrible traffic jams. 3 storeys would set a precedent. Knows the area very well and until there’s grade separation then there’s going to be ‘constant gridlock’. Safety is another concern.’ we have to take care of the local community….overdevelopment’.
HYAMS: Mahvo St is in an ‘urban village’, on regular sized lot, ‘there’s nothing like it in the street at the moment’. Stated that even ‘in an Urban Village we should still be respecting’ neighbourhood character. He and people are ‘looking for sympathetic development’. When he visited there were cars coming down both ends of street and they didn’t have ‘anywhere to go’ because the street is ‘narrow’ and ‘parked out’. Denied the rumour that council wanted to change the planning for that street and that policy has been in since 2004 and ‘only after….extensive consultation’ of 4 years.
TANG: ‘wrong development for the block’. Disagreed with some points such as property values and said that 3 storeys would increase value of properties because of development potential. Tribunal would reject this argument. Reminded councillors that ‘our policy promotes change in this area’….’Mavho st residents will have to accept more applications’…‘we can’t say ….that it’s not (entirely our) fault’ (since we’ve set the areas where there will be development). ‘There will be change’….(and that some will) ‘go into residential streets like Mahvo’.
LOBO: thanked Tang and Lipshutz. Said he understood the policy from 2004 but that some residents weren’t living here in 2004. Admitted that he himself ‘didn’t know what was happening in 2004’. This development will create traffic problems and should be considered.
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY
COMMENT: When countless other applications have NOT BEEN REJECTED OUTRIGHT and mere cosmetic conditions put on (ie 8 storeys instead of 10; 8 units instead of 12, etc) and the consistent argument for such decisions is that VCAT will permit what the developer wants, if not more, then all we can conclude is that elections are indeed around the corner! If these councillors are going to reject applications outright, then at least be consistent in both words and actions for all unreasonable applications!
March 22, 2012 at 5:22 PM
This post doesn’t go far enough. It’s not only that councillors are inconsistent with their arguments or have decided to curry favour with residents. According to this, all councillors skirted around the central issue which is that this is part of a major activity centre. Euphemisms such as Urban Village Policy was used but no one except for the council planner said that it was earmarked for medium to high density dwelling. That’s the issue that needs to be addressed and not in the haphazard way that has been common to this council.
It’s poor planning to say that we expect development in the area without providing clear and precise guidelines as to what this development should look like. Magee can’t decide to treat one area as minimal change when it’s designated otherwise and you can’t argue traffic congestion for this site without applying it consistently to other sites. None of the arguments have broached the questions about the 80/20 division of the municipality and whether residents are satisfied with these arbitrary and poorly defined boundaries.
If councillors are really prepared to institute change, then they should rip the current planning scheme to bits and start again, with full community consultation and involvement. Relying on antiquated and outdated research that goes back to the late 1990s does not change anything.
Maybe some councillors earned a few brownie points with residents on Tuesday night. But there will be plenty more applications that they will have to decide upon. These decisions have to be grounded in policies that are acceptable to the community and are consistently applied. At the moment none of this is happening and decisions should never be popularity contests. That’s what appears to be happening at the moment.
March 22, 2012 at 5:39 PM
Win-win is the ploy here. Councillors do the right thing. It goes to vcat and the developer gets his 9 or 10 units. Councillors are off the hook. They throw their arms in the air and can blame vcat all over again. Brilliant strategy. Pretend you give a stuff about residential amenity, play up to the hordes that complain, and you come out smelling like a rose. Not once though do these councillors bother to blame the planning scheme and the lack of structure plans, height controls, parking plans and Newton and Akehurst. They’re without sin. It’s all the state government’s fault.
March 22, 2012 at 8:05 PM
VCAT should not be part of the new planning scheme. No appeals no problems. No councillors voting on something they know nothing about.
All decisions should be with the staff. Make for quicker meetings.
March 22, 2012 at 10:20 PM
As a resident of Mavho St can I point out a couple of things you glossed over in your sermon?
For one, this application is for 10 units over 3 storeys as well as a basement car park.
A development of this scale is unprecedented in a side street in Bentleigh.
Despite your tricky photographs in which seemingly humungous bunkers already loom over Mavho St, there are in fact no subdivisions of more than 2 dwellings nor are any of them higher than 2 storeys.
To the best of my knowledge this also holds true for all residential side streets in Bentleigh
As some of your photographs indicate, there are certainly larger developments in the area but they are all located in Centre Rd, and in my opinion this is where they belong.
The scale of the development is quite simply too large for the size and the location of the block. It’s logistically unfeasible.
Just for starters: 10 units equals 20 rubbish bins. This is a standard sized residential block in the middle of a side street. There are no laneways beside or behind it. Where will the bins be housed and where will they be placed out for collection?
The developments in Centre Rd are all serviced by laneways that allow for such things as rubbish collection and carpark access, as well as serving as buffer zones to protect the amenity of the surrounding properties.
This one has no such benefits. Overshadowing, privacy and noise and hygiene issues will all be inevitable if and when it is built.
Council is wise to refuse this submission. It’s an unreasonable proposal.
Sadly though, you’re probably right about VCAT reversing the decision, particularly under the new planing minister’s direction.
March 22, 2012 at 10:48 PM
Dear Megan,
thank you for your comment. Let us reiterate – we are delighted with the outcome for the residents of Mavho St. and Morrice St. Our point is that it should never have come to this if there was adequate planning structures in place and particularly in what has been listed under the misnomer of Housing Diversity. Council’s (voting) record in this area is there for all to see. In the majority of cases the permit goes through with some minor conditions, or a proposed 4 storey development is reduced to 3 storeys. The option of total refusal has rarely been used and the argument that VCAT will overturn has been trotted out ad nauseum. We therefore conclude that it takes residents like yourself, plenty of objections, and a looming election, to suddenly make a ‘refusal’ a reality. We further object when councillors use language that is inaccurate in order to promote their arguments. As people have already commented – the problem with inappropriate development will not be solved until there are far more stringent conditions laid down in a well thought out Planning Scheme that has overwhelming community support. Otherwise residents are out of luck if the planning application(s) happen to come in soon after the elections. What happens in our neighbourhoods should not be dependent on when the next election has been, or is about to be held!
March 22, 2012 at 11:41 PM
Glen Eira – Why is all your postings negative? It looks you have lots of time on hand clicking photographs and criticising just to be controversial.
March 22, 2012 at 11:57 PM
Thank you for your comment Fed Up. We would love nothing better than to sing the praises of this council. However, finding “good news” stories about Glen Eira Council seems to be as rare as hens teeth! Our objective is not “controversy” but information and discussion. You are perfectly entitled to disagree with our views and we welcome all opinions. Finally, believe it or not, we are extremely busy and 90% of the photographs we have exhibited have been sent to us via our readers!
March 25, 2012 at 9:45 PM
You don’t even try, gleneira – you are so negative I’m not sure why you bother getting out of bed in the morning. Hopefully you will run for council like you’ve suggested previously, and then stand up to the anonymous scrutiny that you afford others and deliver for the residents of Glen Eira.
If not, you’re just another timewaster like Forge.
March 25, 2012 at 10:27 PM
This council is the disaster it is because there hasn’t been enough scrutiny as you say. I’m all for scrutiny if it is deserved and accurate and who gives a damn if it’s anonymous. That’s what the whistleblower act is all about. Be anonymous but be accurate and provide evidence and that’s what this blog is doing. About time that the chronic spin of this council is countermanded by logic and questions that they never answer. If you don’t like it then stop reading. There are plenty of us who do want to know what is really going on and not rely on the public relations manipulations of Burke.
I sure hope that the owners stand for council. They’ve got my vote and plenty of others that I’ve spoken to.
March 23, 2012 at 7:11 AM
Paul, give us a break. They are providing some much needed balance.
Keep up the good work Glen Eira.
March 25, 2012 at 7:15 PM
We were in the gallery when the application for 3 storey development with 10 units and a basement car park was debated. If this was to proceed then surely like many other streets where developments have taken place would be a site of “Slum Dog Millionaire” . Visit Ormond and other suburbs to see for yourself. We believe Cr. Lobo along with his colleagues saw the misfit of this development.