Below we feature the ‘discussion’ from Tuesday night’s council meeting on a 3 storey development in Centre Rd. We certainly would not dignify this by employing the word ‘debate’. Please read and laugh at the nonsense continually perpetrated on residents under the guise of ‘informed decision making’!
Pilling moved motion to accept. Seconded by Okotel
PILLING: noted that this was housing diversity, 3 storeys, 2 shops, and car parking will mainly be ‘out of hours’ so there’s a waiver for car parking. ‘All in all, this is a very modest proposal’ for an area that ‘can take’ extra ‘diversity’.
OKOTEL: agreed with Pilling and that the proposal is for 8 dwellings and 2 shops in 3 storeys but the ‘original application’ had been for 4 storeys but ‘because of council’s concern’ this was now reduced. ‘Given the other buildings nearby’ of 4 or more storey developments so this is ‘not an overdevelopment’ and if it went to VCAT ‘it would be highly unlikely’ that the permit was refused.
LOBO: said he visited the site on two days and the proposal was ‘good’ and no objections, there is a ‘major concern’ of the laneway which is used as a shortcut to go to the pub for ‘glasses of beer’. People from neighbouring municipalities also use this laneway to avoid the busy intersection. So residents ‘will suffer’ from both noise and ‘space’. 2 other developments are on the cards and there will be about 17 or 18 ‘rubbish bins’ from ‘businesses’ ‘kept near the parking area’. There will be a ‘lot of stench because food smells’. Talked about the need to ‘find ways to have a compromise’ and that the planning department had told him that the laneway is not council property. The question then becomes ‘what to do with the traffic’ that uses the laneway? ‘I’m not against the development but I’m against the process’. ‘We have to get process right’ because this makes council ‘transparent’. If the process isn’t right then ‘it is assumed we are not transparent’.
MAGEE: ‘it’s not a nice development’ and they are ‘taking out one shop and squeezing on 8 developments’. ‘But it is in the right position’. To answer Lobo, Magee said that there is a ‘waste management plan’ and on process ‘I think the process is right’ because of what they’ve implemented which is a ‘very stringent process’. If council wants to ‘encourage development in shopping strips’ he can live with 2 shops instead of one, even though he ‘wouldn’t be racing out to buy one of the units’ . For anyone living close to shopping centres then they ‘know what happens in the laneway’. Admitted that the extra traffic would be ‘imposed on those residents’ living close by and when they bought their properties 10 or 20 years ago they ‘certainly did not see this happening’. In 30 years he’d never ‘gone up that laneway once’ and certainly not to get a ‘glass of beer’. He will support the application because ‘you can support it without liking it’ and ‘developer does have the right’ to go for ‘the maximum’ and ‘the planning scheme allows that’. So that’s the policy and he will ‘support it’.
HYAMS: as a ward councillor here he needed to say something and he supported most of what’s already been said. Stated that the question that councillors have to ask is whether the application ‘complies with the planning scheme’. If yes, then ‘we approve it’. Since the plans now remove one storey it won’t ‘impose’ on height and bulk. The waiving of visitor and retail parking spots is ‘justified’ because the spot now for office is only one and replacing this with a ‘shop won’t make any difference’. On the visitor spot, well ‘people tend to have visitors mostly when’ the shops are already closed and there’s ‘more parking around’. Said he’d been down there and there’s timed parking until 5.30 so that when visitors do come that time period will have expired and they can park there. The problem with the laneway will be solved by ‘screening’. Waste management plan will take care of bins and there will be a construction management plan too so the laneway won’t be blocked. ‘We’re told’ that overshadowing ‘won’t affect solar panels’. Dentist next door was worried about impacting on their business but ‘that’s not part of the planning process’. Said there was an agreement between developer and objectors about installing skylights and ‘they can agree if they want’ but it’s ‘not something by law that we can put in the planning permit’. So ‘I don’t necessarily have to like it but if it fits into our planning scheme’ then it will be approved.
PILLING: in response to Lobo’s concern about ‘amenity’ reiterated that there is a waste management plan and construction management plan which will ‘try to protect residents’. Laneway and managing traffic is long term and important and that’s ‘an ongoing’ process. There are problems with ‘traffic volumes in side streets’ so ‘that’s a long ongoing issue’. Application ‘does comply with planning scheme’ so ‘on that basis I will certainly be supporting the motion’.
MOTION PUT AND CARRIED – LOBO AGAINST.
September 30, 2013 at 2:23 PM
Good call Gleneira. This is anything but a debate. So much could be said about this post but I won’t bore people. Several things stand out for me – the acceptance of total impotency by all those who spoke. On Hyams part I would think this is being totally disingenuous and just supporting what he helped create and continues to condone. The same goes for Pilling. Lobo hasn’t got a clue and half of what he said was irrelevant anyway.
Okotel and Magee are the real worry. Finally there’s a definition of what is not overdevelopment. Great stuff. Someone should tell her that precedent is no excuse for letting more precedents occur and that if they didn’t like it in the first place the planning scheme should have been fixed up years ago to stop these precedents. What could or might happen in vcat is not a reason to grant a permit either. What she doesn’t say is that 3 storeys are now okay along Centre Rd so the planning scheme and Newton have done their dirty work.
Magee is unbelievable. He doesn’t like it. Big deal. Then don’t vote for it and if its the planning scheme’s fault then that’s the culprit that should have been addressed countless years ago. Crying now is just telling everyone what a hopeless council and councillors they all are. He wouldn’t live there of course but nothing has been done to make certain that those who do live there in the future can have their surroundings and amenities protected from developers. That’s the job that should have been done with the zone reforms. It wasn’t and it won’t ever be as long as these councillors and Newton are in charge.
September 30, 2013 at 3:12 PM
Three storeys are OK all along centre rd. Glen Eira has the best planning protections in Victoria. Just ask the Council.
September 30, 2013 at 4:16 PM
Council should put more signs up in centre road like visitors only welcome after hours. That will solve the parking problem and developers don’t have to meet any standards. They can erect 49 apartments and only 12 parking spots and no visitor parking spots.
Pilling talks about ongoing traffic management. Someone should tell him that its been ongoing forever and nothings been done. Like the tree register and the alcohol zone we will have to wait another 20 years and residents will never get parking precinct plans because that would put the squeeze on developers.
September 30, 2013 at 7:03 PM
All of these councillors try to give the impression that the planning scheme is something separate from council and themselves. Total rubbish. Council devises the planning scheme within state legislation frameworks and that is then approved by the minister. Council and therefore councillors have got a say in what is included, what amendments come up and what restrictions and policies become part of the planning scheme. Glen Eira Council does not have policies that restrict anything. The new zones have made this lack of restriction even more obvious.
Okotel need not worry. The fake angst about whether three storeys is, or is not, overdevelopment now belongs in the waste disposal bin since all of Centre Rd has been given permission for 3 storeys and probably ten in the commercial zones. Lobo raves on about “process”. I suggest that if he is serious about reforming process then he should start with what can be changed and that is the planning scheme and the architects of that scheme, namely Newton and Akehurst. Then there might be some chance that proper process becomes the norm in Glen Eira.