This post features the ‘discussion’ on visitor car parking and Esakoff’s motion. Readers should focus on part (c)
Crs Esakoff/Okotel
That Council:
(a) Notes the report.
(b) Acknowledges that each multi-dwelling planning permit application contains a different set of circumstances. Therefore, the provision of onsite visitor car parking must be considered on the individual merits of the particular application being assessed.
(c) Request further investigation in to pathways, such as fast track assessment processes, that encourage and promote provision of adequate, accessible visitor car parking, especially in areas where parking demand is already high and in growth areas in general.
The MOTION was put and CARRIED unanimously.
ESAKOFF: said that by inserting the extra clause in the motion that she ‘hoped’ to ‘encourage’ an extra pathway for ‘adequate and accessible visitor car parking’ – in particular in those areas where there is already ‘high demand’ for parking. Thought this meant ‘predominantly’ Carnegie and to ‘a lesser extent’ Bentleigh. Stated that parking rates are ‘discretionary’ and she thought that this motion was a ‘tool’ or a ‘mechanism to reduce building costs’ . Went on to say that if visitor car parking is provided at all then it ‘shouldn’t be in car stackers’ in basements, but ‘we’re seeing more and more of them’. Her aim was to ‘promote’ and ‘encourage applicants’ to work within the ‘pathway’ ‘similar to the way we offer the faster and more efficient’ fast tracks programs or ‘pre-certification process’ and this could be done ‘via a tick all the box system’ and these can then be ‘swiftly’ and ‘efficiently be processed through the planning department’. Would also cut ‘costs for developers’ such as ‘saving time’ and reducing ‘angst in neighbourhoods’ where these applications apply. In turn, this would ‘then prevent another delay at VCAT’. All of this would mean a ‘faster and more efficient process’ that would also have to adhere to other planning components. But she’ fear(ed)’ that ‘we are degrading our present liveable city’ into a ‘nightmare’ for people living near activity centres. Admitted that not all councillors would agree with her because they wanted to reduce cars in these areas and providing car parking doesn’t do this in their view. On this she said that this is likely to be ‘a very slow change’ and is something for future generations. So, ‘in the meantime we need to address the problem’. Activity centres have changed from ‘predominantly retail’ to now have many residential apartments, and restaurants and cafes that are ‘open to very late at night’ so ‘parking demands are long into the evening’. She thought that ‘they can only get worse and not better’. Her motion therefore was aimed at ‘attacking this from a planning perspective’ and to ‘provide adequate provision now’.
COMMENT
Please note how devoid of anything relating to residents is the above argument. How on earth the equivalent of a fast track system or similar will CHANGE the outcomes of more or less visitor parking remains a total mystery. Once again this council creates the illusion of concern for residents, but fails to attack the central problem – ie. not processes but making dramatic changes to the Planning Scheme, such as parking overlays, parking precinct plans, and creating sound schedules that become mandatory! It’s also illuminating that all of Esakoff’s little speech basically focuses on benefits to developers. Please also note that Esakoff is in favour of a ‘tick the box’ approach, when this has consistently been condemned by Hyams, for one, and overall Glen Eira policy statements!
OKOTEL: claimed that Esakoff had ‘covered all the points’ on the issue. Thought that it was ‘essential that we investigate pathways’ for visitor car parking especially since ‘we see more and more applciations’ in activity centres for waivers. ‘This is something that will continue to happen under our current policy’ so council needs to ‘pay attention now’ and if they don’t it will ‘possibly cause a lot of problems’ such as accidents from traffic and people ‘enjoying’ their ‘municipality’.
COMMENT: Okotel has unwittingly undermined Esakoff with her statement ‘this is something that will continue to happen under our current policy’. Exactly! Implicit in this statement is the acknowledgement that the Planning Scheme is a dud and however much tinkering there is with ‘process’, unless the Scheme changes, then all will stay the same!
SOUNNESS: started by saying that dwelling and ‘having a place to park’ cars are linked. Having somewhere to park is ‘common sense’. Said he recognised that there are ‘benefits’ and that it’s important to know whether there is an ‘excess’ of ‘demand over supply’. The advice that has come from Traffic Management to staff know how things ‘operate’ in other municipalities so having ‘more information’ is good.
PILLING: said that Esakoff was probably referring to someone like him when she spoke about opposite viewpoints. He thought that ‘by encouraging visitor car parking brings more cars’. Thought that having more cars in places like ‘Koornang Road’ and Murrumbeena Road only ‘exacerbates the problem’. Said that he would ‘vote in favour’ because ‘it’s always good to have more information’.
HYAMS: thought that people would be driving cars and hoping ‘that they would find somewhere to park’. Believed that developers should provide car parking that ‘at the least is recommended by ResCode’ instead of ‘trying to shift’ this onto streets and wanted to see developers ‘abide’ by this.
ESAKOFF: thought that ‘demand for car parking’ is going to creep into ‘our Minimal Change’ areas. Said that driving around ‘there’s very few car parking spaces left on the street’. Didn’t know if this is a result of more teenagers with cars or people ‘not using their garages’. Streets ‘are full now’ and ‘we’re going to be in a great deal of trouble’ if the problem ‘isn’t addressed now’. Admitted that there are other councils who aren’t providing any visitor parking but ‘they are predominantly inner suburbs’ and ‘what goes on’ in these suburbs is ‘not clearly what Glen Eirians want’. Went on to say that mothers with prams need to be able to park close to ‘where they’re going’ and this also applies to ‘the elderly’ and ‘the disabled’. Stated that there are ‘many reasons’ why people use and need cars. Hoped that ‘we can do something with this new pathway’ and that ‘it is a success’.
COMMENT
1. On the one hand Esakoff talks as if this nebulous ‘pathway’ is already in existence. Sounness and Pilling want ‘more information’. Yet, there is absolutely nothing in the motion that directs when or how, any ‘investigation’ and its ensuing ‘information’ will be (a) reported back to councillors (b) reported back to Council and a vote taken! Nor is there any clear direction as to exactly what is to be investigated – are we talking ‘supply and demand’? Area versus number of residents? Street availability for parking to accompany each application? And then what?
Conclusion? Another useless exercise in public relations reliant on vagueness and which still leaves plenty of room for backroom decision making. In the meantime, the central problem (ie Planning Scheme) remains untouched! Well done councillors!
February 6, 2014 at 4:40 PM
I honestly can’t remember how many times these councillors keep calling for information without making any real decisions. It’s a game designed to sound good and create the appearance of concerned, responsible representatives. This is just the latest in a string of non events. Worse still is that more secret behind the door dealings can be done between developers and the planning department and residents left out in the cold. It’s total rubbish.
It’s also time that they learnt how to write up motions to make 100% certain that what is done is delivered in a definite time frame; is transparent and accessible to the public via being put into agendas and minutes. The way Esakoff has gone about this is nothing more than pie in the sky so Newton can do whatever he likes and no one will know any different except developers – perhaps.
February 6, 2014 at 5:37 PM
All the statements included in the post are incoherent ramblings. For example: Hyams would like developers to adhere to Rescode regulations. That doesn’t explain why council doesn’t enforce them on practically every application that comes in. It also doesn’t explain why Esakoff agrees to waive one or two spots every single time instead of voting against granting a permit. That should be the first step and not what could or might happen at vcat. You’ve either got rules and regulations or you haven’t. That in itself doesn’t allow a case-by-case judgement. This is nothing more than a cop out and suits developers and a council that is all pro development. For once, just once, it would be good to hear some real debate and some honesty in those council chambers.
February 6, 2014 at 5:53 PM
Why didn’t Esakoff just get up and duuuuhhhhh!!! It would save time, be just as effective and infinitely more honest.
The woman has only just discovered what residents have been complaining about for since the Minimal Change/Housing Diversity Policies were introduced in 2002 years – parking creep into minimal change. So we shouldn’t be surprised that she hasn’t realised that “minimal change” went out the door 6 months ago!!!!
February 7, 2014 at 1:04 AM
Talk about attuned to the community
But you didn’t mention that this unmitigated waffle came from the longest serving Councillor, who wast also sacked in the 2005 debacle. and has since served three term as Mayor.
February 6, 2014 at 6:16 PM
We note that no information was forthcoming in the minutes regarding the incamera item ‘Personnel and Audit Committee”. We therefore still adhere to our strong suspicion that this involved THE REAPPOINTMENT OF MCLEAN FOR ANOTHER THREE YEARS.
Whilst other councils include not only the outcomes, but their intention to appoint or reappoint in ordinary council papers, Glen Eira continues its operations by stealth, secrecy, and dare we say it? – cronyism!
February 6, 2014 at 7:34 PM
Just completed a 10 minute search on google on corporate governance and every piece of literature I read say that Mr McLean and Mr Gibbs are no longer considered independent. For example, the Australian Stock Exchange defines it as 12 years maximum. So here we have these two, obviously mates with people on Council, being incorrectly labelled as “independent”. This alone is reason to sack this Council immediately like they did in Brimbank. Only difference is that Brimbank is a labor electorate and Glen Eira is Liberal.
February 6, 2014 at 8:18 PM
Me again. Just quickly searched some other Councils who provide their Audit Committee Charters. 3 out of 3 had a maximum term of 6 years. Our Councillors should get onto google – it’s amazing how well other Councils are governed.
February 6, 2014 at 8:23 PM
We’ve mentioned this before, but it’s worth repeating. The Ministerial Guidelines for Audit Committees were jointly written by various people including our own Mr Gibbs. The Guidelines state that there should be “rotation” of both external members and councillors. It would appear that Mr Gibbs doesn’t practice what he preaches – and neither does he appear to worry about Lipshutz being a constant, ongoing member since his election 9 years ago!
February 8, 2014 at 1:00 PM
I am not sure why Council would want to keep a re-appointment secret. They controversially gave themselves a big pay rise before Christmas and this was made public. More likely (MODERATORS: rest of comment deleted)
February 6, 2014 at 8:46 PM
I doubt councillors and council staff have ever read the entirety of the Glen Eira Planning Scheme. Staff quote only those parts that support the outcomes they want, and councillors invent reasons for their decisions that don’t match the “decision criteria” [sic] contained in *their* scheme. This makes a mockery of Cr Lipshutz’ claims that Council has a quasi-judicial role. Council makes little attempt to ensure decisions consider all matters that it is required to consider, and that the decisions comply with relevant policies.
The current decision criteria already encourage and promote the provision of adequate “visitor” car parking. It is council and its staff that ignore these criteria. To give an idea how stuffed planning schemes are, consider s52.06 “Car Parking”. It has multiple purposes, including ensuring car parking is provided in accordance with SPPF and LPPF; ensuring an appropriate number of car parking spaces are provided; ensuring car parking “does not adversely affect the amenity of the locality”. It defines appropriate numbers of spaces for various uses, but does permit variations by the Responsible Authority. It’s this discretion that Council has that is so controversial.
One of the myths of “town planning” is that there is such a thing as merit, as in consider something “on its merits”. Merit, as a concept, is not defined. Instead there is a bunch of things that must [or sometimes only should] be considered. These tend to be labelled “decision criteria” or maybe “decision guidelines”. They rarely provide any guidance however. That’s the discretion bit: a decision-maker is still free to do what they like.
So what “guidance” does the Scheme provide concerning car parking? Before granting a permit to reduce the number of spaces below the likely demand assessed by the Car Parking Demand Assessment, the responsible authority must consider at least 17 listed bullet points, and if the provision is on another site, there’s a further 4 bullet points. Council and VCAT consistently fail to consider these points/criteria/guidelines. Instead we get statements that ignore the content *and* substance of 52.06.
It is *not* sufficient to have some street parking available on average. You have to consider the future growth of any nearby activity centre for example. You have to consider the impact of a shortfall in parking on an activity centre’s viability. You have to consider local traffic management, and impact on nearby residential areas. Council is especially guilty of failing to consider “likelihood of the long term provision and availability of the car parking spaces” when accepting an off-site parking arrangement. Once you accept a waiver for one development, you’re obliged to waive parking for all developments in the vicinity. The net effect is there is, or will soon be, parking shortages in and around every activity centre due to repeated waivers.
An example of the idiocy is Morton Av Carnegie. The railway carkpark, which is for rail patrons and is not a public carpark, has been cited as the reason why developments long Morton Av don’t have to provide visitor parking, and 9 Morton Av didn’t even have to provide statutory parking for all its residents. So the excess vehicles park in the railway carpark. Council then reconfigures Rosstown Rd, over 300 metres away, to provide more spaces to take the excess, but the disgruntled patrons have to compete with all the multi-unit developments there for on-street spaces. So the rail patrons end up parking further and further away from the station, down Toolambool, along Rosstown, even beyond Mimosa. [BTW C60 sets a new “benchmark” for encouraging multiunit development at a distance from public transport, with the furthest units over 800m from Caulfield Station.]
Council needs to be reminded of the caution in s65 that “Because a permit can be granted does not imply that a permit should or will be granted”.
February 6, 2014 at 11:07 PM
Can anyone pass on to me what is the ratio of vistors carparking spots, to the number apartments, or is it a ratio between the number of bedrooms, hence the number of people that may move in and own cars?
Is Pilling correct when he says waiving car parking spots is the better way to go, “the less parking places provided, the less cars in thr area, or is it just a helping hand for more profit for thr developer?
And do bycyle facilities replace the visitor car spots, to encourage that mode of transport?
February 6, 2014 at 11:15 PM
The “standards” are supposed to be one visitor car park for every 5 dwellings. Resident car parks work according to the forumula of 1 onsite resident car park for a 1 or 2 bedroom unit, and 2 car parks for a 3+ bedroom unit. The majority of high density in Glen Eira is primarily one bedroom with a smattering of 3 bedroom places.
We also recommend the following website (http://profile.id.com.au/glen-eira/car-ownership) which give some statistics on car ownership per dwelling. And yes, there have been permits granted where disabled parking is turned into visitor parking, and bike facilities are given priority to onsite visitor parking (cheaper of course!) – the C6- Development Plan is the latest example of the latter.
February 7, 2014 at 10:27 AM
thank you
February 7, 2014 at 1:21 AM
Ah jeez. look at recent Caulfield Park (Glen Eira’s premier park) disaster and then take an objective look at avowed “Green” PIlling,and his performance
His opinions and performance are a classic case of theory failing to meet reality: a reality he is too blind to see he is instrumental in creating