Former Glen Eira mayor defends public meeting slur
- March 21, 2014
A GLEN Eira Council critic has accused two-time mayor and current councillor Jamie Hyams of calling her a “bitch’’ at a public meeting, but he says her account is not accurate.
Rosetta Manaszewicz aired her complaint via a public question at the council’s March 18 meeting and has challenged the council to bring him to account.
She said that at a planning conference on March 3 Cr Hyams “called me, among other things, a ‘whining bitch’ in front of another resident. Does council consider this appropriate behaviour? Will council censure Hyams for such behaviour?’’.
Cr Hyams said he used the word, but offered a different account of how he used it, saying he used it as a verb, describing her behaviour.
“You have misrepresented or misheard the words,’’ he said in his reply speech.
He said she contributed to a blog that was relentless in its criticism of the council and the blog carried “baseless and highly defamatory’’ comments about councillors.
Ms Manaszewicz insists Cr Hyams used the word as a noun, to describe her.
Both agree the exchange took place in the foyer of the Caulfield Park Pavillion before a Caulfield Village planning conference, both agree the word was used and both are refusing to back down on their accounts.
Ms Manaszewicz said she was showing a petition to a resident at the time. She said Cr Hyams’ words were unprovoked and something needed to be done.
“There was no misinterpretation in what was said,’’ Ms Manaszewicz said.
“I just think it’s appalling for an elected representative.’’
Cr Mary Delahunty weighed in.
“To refer to someone’s actions as bitching, or indeed to call them a bitch, is derogatory, used in a sexist manner, it’s unacceptable and I’m genuinely aggrieved that council has lowered itself to such a level that a response such as that is read out at an official meeting,’’ Cr Delahunty said.
Last year, former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd forced the resignation of the candidate for the safe Labor seat of Hotham, Geoff Lake, amid revelations he verbally abused a wheelchair-bound fellow councillor at a 2002 Monash Council meeting, calling her a “f—ing bitch’’.
That matter went to the Victorian Equal Opportunity Commission at the time and Mr Lake made admissions and apologised.
Glen Eira Council did not answer Ms Manaszewicz’s questions, instead taking them on notice.
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The public question & Hyams’ response:
On March 3rd at the Caulfield Village planning conference two time ex-mayor Hyams called me, amongst other things, a ‘whining bitch’ in front of another resident. Does Council consider this appropriate behaviour? Will council censure Hyams for such behaviour?
The Mayor responded. He said: There are several parts to this question. The first part I can invite Cr Hyams to respond. The second part relates to a Council position. Because of the time constraints we ran out of time to come to a collective Council position so I will take the second part On Notice.
Cr Hyams provided a response. He said: “You have misrepresented or misheard the words I used. I didn’t call you a bitch. I used the word as a verb to the effect that you just bitch. It is possible I also used the word whine and said you whine and bitch, but I don’t think so.
The context was that I came across you trying to have a resident sign a petition that called for a Royal Commission into, among other things, alleged conflict of interest of councillor trustees of the Caulfield Racecourse Reserve Trust, of which I am one. Had this been the sole cause of my comments, they would have been unwarranted. However, that is far from the case.
Glen Eira Council is, by any measure, a well-performing Council. We consistently perform well in public surveys, our rates are among the lowest in Melbourne and the Auditor General regularly praises our performance and compliance. Recent achievements such as GESAC and the new residential planning zones have been widely lauded by many both within Glen Eira and from other councils. Just to name a few of our successes.
You, however, appear to devote a large part of your life to attempting to make this Council look as bad as possible. You are an administrator of and major contributor to an anonymous hate blog that is relentless in its criticism of this Council. In the time
that I read it, I never once saw a post (as opposed to a comment) that had anything positive to say about this Council, and while I have not bothered reading it in over a year, others have assured me that nothing has changed.
You are often seen at Council consultations trying to propagate your critical views around the entrance and I am also assured by others who attend Council meetings that at the end of each meeting, you chase after any journalists who attend to try to have them write about your negative impressions of the meeting.
To give just a few specific examples, when Crs Esakoff, Lipshutz and I were appointed as Trustees to the Caulfield Racecourse Reserve Trust, you organised and submitted a petition calling for us to be replaced as trustees because, according to you, we did not adequately represent the community. You somehow thought that your opinion and those of the 100 or so who you managed to have sign your petition were more important than the nearly 17,000 residents and ratepayers of Glen Eira who voted for one of the three of us to represent them, returning us first in our respective wards.
Your blog has also carried baseless and highly defamatory allegations that I and other councillors have been corrupt in our dealings with the Melbourne Racing Club and the C60 development, and I am reliably informed that you have been personally
circulating these allegations. I am still considering my options in relation to that matter.
In 2009, you were pushing for a review of Council’s dog off-leash areas, and adamant that Harlock Jackson should carry out the review. This was done, by Harlock Jackson, and resulted in a considerable increase in off-leash areas across Glen Eira. However, you still strongly criticised the review and the process, including at a public consultation meeting held by Harlock Jackson as part of the review.
I believe that Councillors are entitled to express their feelings as long as they do so in a way that accords with the expectations of our civic society, and, in this case, for many reasons including those set out above, my comments were acceptable.”
Cr Delahunty. Statement pursuant to Glen Eira Local Law 232(2)(f).
“I accept that Council has taken part of the Public Question on notice but I am aggrieved by the reply in such that it seeks to somehow wash away the language that was used. I find the language that was used to be offensive no matter whether or not you agree with the persons views. I don’t think it’s appropriate for elected representatives, adults, anyone to refer to someone’s actions as bitching or to call them a bitch is derogatory, is used in a really sexist manner is completely unacceptable. I don’t think views held that differ will ever make that acceptable and I am genuinely aggrieved that the Council has literally lowered itself to the level whereby that sort of response was read out at an official meeting. It is sad.”
March 25, 2014 at 1:36 PM
If Ms Manaszewicz can get a statutory Deceleration from the witness to support her account of what was said, then the Mayor and Councillor group has no option but to refer Cr Hyams to a Councillor Code of Conduct panel to answer this very serious allegation.
March 25, 2014 at 3:37 PM
No doubt Council has already been in contact with Ms. Manaszewicz – Council can’t let such a serious allegation go without undertaking a thorough check of the evidence.
March 25, 2014 at 8:11 PM
Hyams’s dummy spits are pretty well known to anyone who has had any dealings with him and it’s only the average individuals wish to avoid confrontation that has allowed him to get away with it.
Good on ya lady for raising the issue and Delahunty for seconding it.
March 25, 2014 at 2:54 PM
Plaudits should go to Cr Delahunty for refusing to accept what are particularly offensive and irrelevant comments. I find it hard to believe that “bitch” and “bitching” can be misheard. It’s far easier to accept the idea that this reply is an attempt to weasel out of a difficult situation and to attack an individual rather than provide a straight forward apology.
It’s not the first time that Hyams has resorted to personal abuse of residents and councillors. I respectfully suggest that he desperately seeks some anger management classes and accept that in a democracy residents opinions and criticisms be evaluated on their merits.
As a public figure Hyams needs to act in a responsible fashion. I don’t think this incident does anything for the reputation of the man and by extension, council.
March 25, 2014 at 3:34 PM
So sorry for the little boy attitude of the big strong councillor who , although having chosen to be a public representative, is unable to bear criticism. His life must have all been so lucky so far. If he were squecky clean why wouldn’t he have just laughed it off all the way as he left her side. Thank you to whoever does the blog because personally I believe the blog records are very accurate unlike council minutes.
It could not report the body language metered out to Cr Panhalluriack over the years nor the tension in the council chamber in many successful attempts to stifle democracy, behaviour which unfortunately occurs in Glen Eira.Council. Did the fact that the case which which the “coin toss,mayor” and his colleagues embarked on in June 2012 turned out to be a fizzer, due to lack of evidence, influence this councillor’s tongue.
Maybe he could learn a line of history I learnt in Grade Six from Voltaire…
“I disagree withh what you say but I will defend to my very death your rite to say it.”
I have noticed many instances of shortage of information say for that meeting… no time was given in paper and on other occassions when council is batting for MRC the locstions of meetings has been changed without notice or doors of advertised placed locked.
March 25, 2014 at 4:23 PM
Hyams conveniently forgets that if people sign a petition then they agree with the proposals put in that petition. It’s not a single opinion. Plus, he needs to explain why he and his mates didn’t declare a conflict of interest when the petition named them all and they voted on it. That’s a far more signficant and important issue.
March 25, 2014 at 7:20 PM
According to the Hyams’ worldview, residents should be seen but never heard. They should grovel and kiss the ground that these councillors tread since they are always correct. Criticism is always wrong, misguided and malicious in this world view. When individuals such as Hyams start espousing such rubbish my stomach turns. I can’t believe that getting a petition up is a hanging offence. Council would do a lot better in residents’ eyes if it acted on petitions instead of merely noting them.
Dredging up a 2009 dog consultant’s report is typical of the small and petty mindedness that characterises the diatribe. People should have a close read of all the public comments on the Have Your Say page on this review on council’s website. It is full of comments about the poor methodology and the poor recommendations made. If this resident spoke up about the poor standard of the review then she was not alone. There was a chorus of similar criticisms. Not the first time either that consultants produce what they are paid to produce. That much is a certainty.
March 25, 2014 at 8:03 PM
In the past bloggers frequently alleged that the Leader was in Council’s pocket but recently that has changed as the Leader has presented some articles that question Council. This latest incidence far from reflecting objective reporting adds credence to the previous bloggers allegations.
The article appeared on the Leader link from the Herald Sun and on the Leader on line, however, it is missing from the printed edition currently being delivered.
Looks like the Leader has joined Council’s wagon circling exercise to prevent serious questions and an proper investigation. The real pity is that the Leader should tell Council to shove it’s advertising revenue (any casual review of the one I get – the Glen Eira Port Phillip Leader has much more Council paid notices from Port Phillip than Glen Eira) and report what is actually going on rather than only the stories Council wants it to print.
March 25, 2014 at 8:57 PM
Jamie me boy be a man an cough up the truth willya.
March 25, 2014 at 9:20 PM
Council appears to have lost its way, with all but one councillor remaining silent in the face of Cr Hyams’ far from brief diatribe. Fortunately Cr Delahunty was aggrieved and did use 232(2)(f) to point out how inappropriate Cr Hyams’ behaviour and response was. It remains to be seen what Council eventually comes up with as their “collective position”. Since Council has offloaded most of the response to Cr Hyams and he denies the alleged behaviour and considers his behaviour to be appropriate and can rely on the support of several councillors regardless of what he says and does, the result is unlikely to be edifying.
March 25, 2014 at 9:48 PM
“collective position” says it all.
This sort of behaviour knows no bounds, it has been displayed in countless Council Meetings and at community conferences. In the closed doors of assemblies who knows what has been unleashed; but expecting the worse is probably wise.
Gonna be interesting to see what the evidence shows, if Council does an actual follow up, and who sticks up for him. Needless to say the “collective position” may win out … and what does that say for the all other Councillors and their integrity and standards of acceptable behaviour. No doubt Council, supported by all Councillors, except perhaps one, have that process in motion and if not it bloody well should.
Also worth considering the hoohaa over the term “stormtroopers” vs “bitch”or “bitching”.
March 26, 2014 at 8:21 AM
Hyams is a total disgrace and a waste of space. If the allegations are true then Ms Manaszewicz should take the next option open to her.
March 26, 2014 at 9:16 AM
What????? What is the Mayor Pilling and other Councillors going to do about this?
March 26, 2014 at 10:08 AM
Off topic. Hansard – 25/3/2014
Caulfield Racecourse Reserve
Mr SOUTHWICK (Caulfield)—I raise a matter for the Minister for Agriculture and Food Security. The action I seek is that the minister consider including the lake at Caulfield Racecourse Reserve in the Family Fishing Lakes program for the school holiday period. In 2012 I was fortunate enough to join the minister in releasing 1000 trout into Albert Park Lake as part of the fishing program, which is a great program giving young people the opportunity to learn about fishing. I recall on that day being inappropriately dressed in my suit and being shown up by the minister, who arrived suitably attired in gumboots to get into the water and release the fish. I assure members that this time, if the minister comes to Caulfield Racecourse, I will wear the appropriate gear to release fish into the racecourse lake.
My electorate of Caulfield has a rich history of fishing. In 1879 it was part of a string of swamps stretching out to the east and along Dandenong Road. In the early years of settlement deeper water pools were fished commercially by fishermen who sold their catch in nearby shopping centres or from barrows wheeled door to door. Long after this was disallowed, children continued to collect fish, yabbies and even leeches for the local chemists, both as a sport and a way to earn money.
Today we have a racecourse reserve on Crown land that outside of racing is a park with barbecue facilities, picnic areas, a small sports ground, a walking track, an off-leash dog park, a place to fly model planes and, importantly, a fishing lake. Since being elected in 2010 I have been looking at ways to get more people to use and appreciate this fantastic public space in Caulfield. Last year as part of the opening of the upgraded centre reserve I hosted a fun run that attracted 1000 people and raised almost $50 000 for charity. Unfortunately it is difficult to access the centre reserve because of fencing around it.
I understand that in the past a number of keen fishermen frequented the lake when it was stocked by Fisheries Victoria, but it is a local well-kept secret. I also understand that between April and November each year the Department of Environment and Primary Industries and Fisheries Victoria release some 600 000 to 700 000 trout and salmon into Victoria’s public waterways. The school holiday period is a great time for children to have a go at catching their first fish, and I can think of no better place than at the racecourse reserve lake. Glen Eira City Council, Caulfield Racecourse Reserve Trust, Melbourne Racing Club and I have been talking for a number of years about ways to activate this area. We need to provide these types of activities to encourage visitors to the area. I am looking at many different ways to encourage people to come to the racecourse reserve. It is a great area with a huge footprint of land. It is the people’s park, and we need to do what we can to get people to utilise it. I ask the minister to take up this important program.
March 26, 2014 at 10:11 AM
what a w$%^ER! Can I say that. Im using it as a noun!
March 26, 2014 at 5:42 PM
One has to give David Southwick full marks for trying to improve the racecourse reserve attraction to the public. But as he puts it many times before “it is difficult to access the centre reserve because of fencing around it”. There were many suggestions on that score: make the fence transparent; make a retractable fence; or just remove it. The best would be to get rid of horse training. Filling the lake with fish would be excellent for the fish. I am not sure about kids trying to fish there, except on occasions like the Caravan show, which could have a fishing element in it.
March 26, 2014 at 11:24 AM
A poor reflection on other Councillors and projection of disunity. Excuses, Excuses and cover ups all the time and every time. Go Rosetta.
March 26, 2014 at 3:34 PM
Hyams can kiss his bigger political ambitions good bye if this goes any further. The libs sure aren’t going to welcome him with open arms. That depends if they’ve got the same standards as the labs did with Lake. Reckon he’ll remain a minow in a tiny pond which is exactly where he belongs.
March 26, 2014 at 4:06 PM
How can Hyams and his gang members think there is only one meaning to Stormtroopers but multiple meanings to the word Bitch?
March 26, 2014 at 4:10 PM
Seriously how pathetic is councillor Hyams using an excuse about the way he used the word Bitch. Who does this arrogant piece of work think he is?
March 26, 2014 at 4:33 PM
Congratulations Cr Delahunty for standing up for what’s right. The other councillors should hang their heads in shame for staying mute! And how are they allowed to get away with this? Don’t forget the truth councillors on your next re-election flyer “I am allowed to call any resident a Bitch, that’s what I stand for”.
March 26, 2014 at 4:59 PM
Hyams has hit the jackpot with this stunt. Just for the heck of it I’ve found the code of conduct and Hyams has broken every rule possible if what’s written in the code is more than nice words on a page. I’ve cut and past what I think is relevant
fostering community cohesion and encourage active participation in
civic life.
Respecting the diverse needs, views and nature of the greater
Glen Eira community;
Demonstrating leadership by focusing on issues and refraining
from personalising matters particularly in relation to making
personal remarks regarding other Councillors
Councillors have a duty to act honestly.
avoiding statements (whether oral or in writing) or actions that
will or are likely to mislead or deceive
Councillors must treat each other and all persons with respect and
have due regard to the opinions, beliefs, rights and responsibilities of
other Councillors, Council officers and other persons.
Councillors have a duty to promote and support these Councillor
Conduct Principles by leadership and example and to act in a way that
secures and preserves public confidence in the office of Councillor
Councillors must not harass, bully, vilify, or discriminate against
colleagues, staff members or members of the public. They must
discourage others if they do so. This includes harassment and
discrimination on the grounds of sex, pregnancy, age, race (including
their colour, nationality, descent, ethnic or religious background),
political affiliation, marital status, impairment, sexual orientation,
gender identity, parental status or status as a carer, breast feeding,
physical features, industrial activity or personal association.
March 26, 2014 at 8:09 PM
Let’s see if the Code of Conduct is upheld or the gang has their own set of rules. It’s just disgusting that a councillor calls a resident a bitch and can get away with it. Where are all the other Councillors and most importantly the Mayor?
March 26, 2014 at 8:22 PM
I wonder what Michael and Margie think of this appalling language? C’mon M & M don’t you remember the word of the month – Transparency – Do explain please?
March 26, 2014 at 10:14 PM
Why didn’t Oscar say something?
March 26, 2014 at 9:12 PM
Pilling’s ability to handle this will prove how fit he is for the position. Will Pilling be influenced by the gang?? Let us wait to see if he is a green material.
March 27, 2014 at 6:54 AM
Pilling won’t handle it. Unless of course you consider doing nothing handling it.
March 26, 2014 at 10:45 PM
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March 26, 2014 at 11:58 PM
He’s only a green at election time… after all he was one of the great team who gave away the Crown Land unconditionally and stated that visitors to the Moreton Avenue development which like all Glen Eira development applications sought car parking waiver rites for visitors so the Maypor said the visitors could use the railway car park anyway so it did not matter.
March 27, 2014 at 2:42 AM
Well Well local member what a great idea the fingerlings may have lived a few years ago when the Reserve lakes collected matural rainfall but now they are simple storm water reservoirs from all the surrounding roads and means very polluted water for the poor baby fish.
March 27, 2014 at 7:58 AM
Cr Pilling, we know you read this blog and as Mayor we think you have a responsibility to voting residents to actually hear what you have to say on this unfortunate issue. You preach transparency now we think you should deliver transparency. It would be appreciated if you could answer these questions which we think are valid and reasonable in open dialogue with the community.
What are you as the Mayor going to do about this vitriolic attack on a resident?
Do you think it’s acceptable behavior from an elected councillor?
If nothing is done about this does that clearly state that “bitch” is an acceptable word for Councillors to use on residents in future?
Is this a breach of the Code of Conduct?
And if so what is the next step in the process?
March 27, 2014 at 9:34 AM
If the Mayor ain’t gonna say nothing what about the Deputy Mayor. After all Lipshutz made a big deal out of the use of the term “stormtroopers” offending a few but is silent on “bitch” which, unless defining a dogs gender, is extremely offensive to everyone regardless of its use as a noun or a verb.
March 27, 2014 at 9:46 AM
This is in my view is very simple. If Ms Manaszewicz can get a statutory Deceleration from the witness to support her account of what was said then Cr Hyams has lied to council and needs to resign. It’s just that simple. It’s up to Ms Manaszewicz to prove it happened.
March 27, 2014 at 11:49 AM
The stat. dec. is probably already in the pipeline, so then the question becomes what is Council going to do about it?
March 27, 2014 at 12:50 PM
It is clear that Ms Manaszewicz was called a “bitch” by what she calls “the two times Mayor Hyams” who has learned nothing in his 3 terms as Councillor. If Ms M is serious about the public question and for her respect purposes, she needs to prepare the stat.dec with the witnesses who heard Hyams.
March 27, 2014 at 12:53 PM
Why should Oscar Lobo save Hyams?
March 27, 2014 at 4:29 PM
Every time Lobo opens his mouth he embarrasses everyone around him. Don’t give him ideas.
March 27, 2014 at 6:38 PM
Are you one of the gang? Tell us what embarrasses you or your relatives (MODERATORS: rest of sentence deleted)
March 27, 2014 at 8:12 PM
You are a sick man. Go get help.
March 27, 2014 at 1:47 PM
Council has responded in part to the Public Question, and decided that it was appropriate for Cr Hyams to deliver that response. It is pure conjecture on my part that they “ran out of time” to respond fully because they couldn’t arrive at a collective position, with some arguing the behaviour was acceptable and others disagreeing. What I found noticeable is that nowhere in the response made so far is there a reference to the Councillors’ Code of Conduct demonstrating how the alleged or admitted behaviour complies with it. The Code has simply been ignored.
March 27, 2014 at 6:25 PM
They are very good at ignoring what they want to when they want to. Residents are usually top of the list but strategies, policies and the planning scheme also get their fair share too.
March 27, 2014 at 7:28 PM
Rosetta, you now have Hyams where you and the residents want. You need to seriously consider taking action against Hyams who called you a “BITCH” and also in the memory of Mary Walsh whom Hyams, Lipshutz and the gang gave hard time. One night Mary broke down in tears in the gallery and went home sick. You need to do this for Mary.
March 27, 2014 at 9:12 PM
Oscar, you had the opportunity to say something on Tuesday, unlike any of the commentators on this website.
March 27, 2014 at 10:24 PM
I’ve read some the Mary Walsh’s postings and if what you (Suzie) says is true then she certainly did not deserve what you report.
Tell me Suzie where were you when it counted and what have you done in the interim, what are you currently doing (you attest to being witness to this long disgusting history) and, aside from off laying it to someone else, what are you going to do in the future..
March 27, 2014 at 10:23 PM
The record for an Assembly of Councillors held 1 March 2014 states in G(xiv) “Cr Hyams—Cr Lobo has foreshadowed a Right of Reply at the next Council Meeting. Councillor Code of Conduct [sic] regulates what Councillors can say about other Councillors”. That would be the same Code that possibly maybe occasionally regulates councillor behaviour about their constituents. It’s a matter of public record that Cr Lobo didn’t make a statement. There’s a fair chance that he was bullied or intimidated into refraining, through statements such as Cr Hyams’.
Although he does make stuff up and relies on “reliable sources” and never acknowledges mistakes and has trouble coping with people disagreeing with him and has presided over a disastrous period of local governance, Cr Hyams does have a point. The Code of Conduct does utter platitudes about councillors and their behaviour. This shouldn’t be surprising since that is allegedly the purpose of the document. What is remarkable about Council’s position, which they permitted Cr Hyams to enunciate, is that the Code is utterly meaningless. There is no support for enforcing it, unless against political enemies.
If I could be bothered with councillors at all, it would be tempting to call Cr Hyams’ bluff and ask him to substantiate his many claims&maybe identify the “reliable sources” he relies upon, and identify the specific blog posts that so offend his sensibilities. He might even wish to answer how many times he has commented here anonymously.
March 28, 2014 at 12:02 AM
Reprobate, you’ve got it in one. Brilliant summation. Lobo was stomped on good and hard and thus silenced. Forget the fact that he might have something truthful and valuable to say. Criticism of whatever kind is never taken kindly by this council.
This isn’t a happy council. It never has been and all the spin in the world can never cover up the appalling governance that continues on and on under Newton and the gang.
March 28, 2014 at 8:45 AM
Ms Manaszewicz has the name and reputation in Glen Eira and she needs to do something about the insult of being called a “bitch” Ms M is well regarded in Glen Eira community and she has singled handedly exposed the Councillors. Pilling’s leadership qualities will be tested here..
March 28, 2014 at 10:04 AM
Calling Cr Lobo, where is he and why is he silent? When do we see his Right of Reply to Lipshutz the know it all Councillor after Hyams?
March 28, 2014 at 11:24 AM
Funnny isn’t it only some special councillors can throw all the stones and any other councillor (as we saw in the last group) Cr. Penhalluriack had more stones than normal hurled by the power brokers who were proved wrong at our expense. Now it appears Cr. Lobbo is telling too much of the truth so like all other believers in the various power hungry societies history tell us about the independents are silenced and the papers are certainly censored so as the ratepayers are unaware of the way Glen Eira business is conducted apart from reading the blog as council minutes are inaccurate. If one does venture to a council meeting the experience is often very unpleasant too and upsetting mentally when it doesn’t have to be as in the case of nearby stonnington.
March 29, 2014 at 7:34 PM
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March 29, 2014 at 8:47 PM
Having just comments Smart Alec – Is Hyams really a BOY or has ever been one? What’s the matter SA, you are not smart any more? Hyam’s days are finito; a coin tosser Mayor who has lost it and will never recover.
March 30, 2014 at 12:06 AM
Speaking of offence to people’s feelings… have any council members ever considered how offensive the Japanese Garden is at the City Hall… It gives me the shivers every time I go near it (MODERATORS: rest of comment deleted)
April 8, 2014 at 11:59 AM
As long as Hyams has Lobo wanting to be Mayor he has his fifth vote for anything he wants.