URGENT BUSINESS
Magee moved a motion that Council that sports grounds in the centre of the racecourse be considered as URGENT BUSINESS. Hyams declared a conflict of interest as did Esakoff. LIPSHUTZ DID NOT DECLARE ANY CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND REMAINED IN THE CHAMBER. No councillor challenged his presence. (Delahunty was absent).
MAGEE: moved the motion that council’s position was that the centre should be used for sporting grounds; that on the 7.30 Report the MRC CEO stated that ‘community sport would be welcomed’; that council writes to the Trustees and that they ‘ensure’ that community sport be developed in the centre and that a copy of the letter go to the Minister for Crown Lands , the minister for sports and to the minister for racing. Motion seconded by Sounness.
Magee went over council’s resolution for the centre of the racecourse where many sporting teams were missing out and that the ’54 hectares of land’ could be used for sportsgrounds. Said that this ‘vision’ was presented to the community and ‘accepted widely’ and that all councillors have ‘worked tirelessly’ to get this done. Magee said that it was good to hear that the MRC CEO ’embraced this vision’ and that it’s the first time they have said anything like this. Magee welcomed this statement. At the moment there’s a ‘lease being prepared’ and Magee thought it was ‘incumbent on us to work with the’ MRC and to write to the trustees and ‘inform them of this agreement’ and how the MRC ‘have now embraced’ this vision. The trustees have to now ‘take this advice’ and work it into ‘any lease agreements that are before them at the moment’. Said that the MRC should ‘only ever be given a lease’ for areas outside the actual racetrack and not the racetrack itself nor the centre of the racecourse. Stated that this is the ‘first time in 150 years’ that the ‘two groups can actually work together’. The turstees job is to administer the racecourse ‘for the benefit of all Victorians’. Claimed that here’s the perfect time to do all this ‘given that there is an agreement’ and that the MRC spokesman has ‘made it very clear on national television’ that sport is ‘very clear to the’ MRC and ‘we welcome that’. Said that since they’ve stated this that all that’s left is to ‘inform the minister’ to ‘let them know there is an agreement in place’.
SOUNNESS: asked Magee if he would accept a change in wording from ‘community sports grounds’ to ‘organised sport’. Magee refused to accept change in wording. Sounness still accepted the motion and said that he ‘copped it in the neck’ about lack of sporting ovals, lack of off leash dog areas because of organised sports, and lack of passive areas. Said that this is an opportunity and should be followed up. Open space for sports grounds can’t be found that easily in a built up city so the centre could be the solution.
LIPSHUTZ: said he didn’t declare a conflict of interest because he didn’t think there was one but that it is ‘appropriate’ that he ‘report’ on what’s been happening in ‘recent times’. Claimed that the trust ‘has not been sitting on its hands’. Said that for the first time the ‘non MRC trustees as of one voice’ and that there have been ‘ongoing lease negotiations with the MRC’ for the past 2 years but these negotiations haven’t as yet ‘reached fruition’. Said the lease is about the Tabaret and the grandstand and not to the ‘infield and the tracks’. Said that the MRC ‘does not have any legal right’ to anything in the infield. Said that the trustees are therefore committed to a ‘license agreement’ for the infield so the MRC ‘knows precisely what it can do and what it can’t do’. Went on to say that the trustees have got a valuation for the land rental and have put that to the MRC. Claimed that the trustees had ‘always taken the view’ that the valuation should be done by the Valuer General and that the chairman has asked for this. Said that he had been at a meeting today with Greg Sword and the governor executives and that the ‘valuer general will get a brief’ and that if there’s disagreement the Minister will ‘arbitrate’. He didn’t ‘expect that agreement will be reached’.
Said that he didn’t declare a conflict of interest because the trust ‘has taken a very strong view’ that the ‘centre of the racecourse should be used for sport’. Didn’t think that even though the MRC CEO said he welcomed sport, he wasn’t that sure that the MRC itself would endorse this view. Said that the ‘government has also advised’ that there should be sport in the infield but that boils down to the ‘license’ negotiations. Thhere is training and he didn’t think that ‘in reality’ training would go ‘any time soon’ and this would be in the ‘scope of 10 to 15 years’. So if training remains there are ‘safety’ issues both to the public and to the animals. Thus claimed that ‘this motion itself does not actually further anything’ since there is ‘already a commitment by the trust’ to have sport and that won’t happen very soon because they still have to negotiate the ‘license arrangement’. And if there’s no agreement then the ‘minister will step in’. Reassured everyone that ‘the trust has been very active’. Stated that at his morning meeting with the MRC they discussed the issue about opening up access to the racecourse. Said that ‘everyone’ recognises that entrance through the tunnel ‘is not satisfactory’ but ‘equally it is an issue of safety’. Claimed that the MRC has now ‘committed to looking at those issues’ and seeing where there could be ‘palisade fencing’ so that there could be the ‘visual entrance’. Didn’t know whether these things would ‘come true’ but reiterated that the trust is ‘committed’ to having sport, but unsure of the ‘extent’ of this. Therefore he didn’t see that there’s any conflict of interest since the Magee motion ‘is in accord’ with the ‘wishes’ of the trustees.
OKOTEL: asked Magee if he would consider writing to the trustees asking for their position on sport in the centre. Magee didn’t accept this proposal. Okotel then queried the value of writing to the trust asking them to state a position that they are already taking. Thought it ‘would be better’ to have the trust put their ‘position in writing’ so that it would be public and council might ‘utilise’ whatever is written to them as an ‘advocacy tool’.
PILLING: thought that Magee’s motion is only what council is asking for and is ‘complementary’ to ‘what’s going on behind the scenes’.
MAGEE: thanked Lipshutz for remaining in the room since he thought it’s important that people know what the trustees and councillor reps on the trustees are doing. Said that he wasn’t surprised that when Lipshutz became a trustee ‘he would always be acting in the best interests of Glen Eira’. Stated that he thought that Greg Sword was trying ‘to do his best’. Two years ago the trust’s position was a ’64 year lease with no conditions’ and now ‘they’re looking at the same things we are’. Now the MRC CEO wants ‘the same thing’ and the government ‘wants sport in the centre of the racecourse’. ‘Everybody’s together. There’s nobody opposing this’. Wanted his motion to ‘stay the same’ because it sends ‘a strong message’ that council ‘wants to work with them’. Conceded that ‘no one is saying’ that training should go ‘tomorrow’ but important to say that a ‘section of the racecourse’ can be ‘given up’ such as ‘3 ovals’ and then build on that’ and ‘phase out training’. Said he ‘wanted to see racing stay there forever’ but that training is ‘not a permitted use’ and it’s not written anywhere that it is a ‘permitted use’. Concluded by saying that Tang and he first moved the motion that the lease be reduced from 61 years to 21 and that this motion was defeated by 9 to 2. So they never wanted a 21 year lease . ‘We’re not going to tolerate the exclusion of Glen Eira residents’. Said that the 21 year lease ‘is pivotal’ to the future. Quoted the president of Ajax about the lack of space for sport and that 75% of his team can’t play in Glen Eira and ‘that’s a shame’. So there are about 130 or 140 kids who can’t play sport where their ‘parents pay rates’. ‘No one in this room thinks that’s acceptable’ and here’s the ‘opporunity’ to do something. Everyone (trustees, mrc, community) is ‘all on board’ with this.
MOTION PUT TO VOTE. OKOTEL VOTED AGAINST. LIPSHUTZ DID NOT RAISE HIS HAND IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSING THE MOTION. TECHNICALLY THIS MEANS AN ABSENTION!
April 9, 2014 at 7:15 AM
Got some questions for you – my understanding of the abstaining ruling, as per then Mayor Hyams ruling on a then Cr. Forge request to abstain from voting, was that it was not an option. If a Councillor is in attendance and has not declared a conflict of interest, they have to vote – abstaining is not an option. Have the rules changed or this is an “Animal Farm” instance of some being more equal than others.
Along the same line, Councillor Trustees have accepted that they have a conflict of interest on Racecourse issues (although how this can be so is baffling since they are trustees by virtue of their being Councillors ie. community representatives) now we have an “except when situation”. Therefore, a two part question
. What conflict of interest clauses did Lipshutz refer to justify his remaining in Chamber. The above editorial implies that it was solely based presenting the Trustees in a more positive light.
. If one “except when” is sanctioned then can we expect more and when can we expect these “except whens” in include some items that are not so good.
April 9, 2014 at 7:54 AM
I think the legislation may have changed on compulsory voting. No matter because Lipshutz’s idea of what makes his presence okay belongs to science fiction or the Lipshutz version of reality. Agreement between bodies does not eliminate the legal requirement to declare a conflict especially since the minutes of one are not available to the public or even councillors. In conflict of interest matters perception is everything according to the ombudsman.
April 9, 2014 at 1:30 PM
Click to access EXT.2013-04-08%20Circular%20No.13%20Voting%20by%20councillors%20at%20council%20meetings.pdf
April 9, 2014 at 9:13 AM
Lipshutz demonstrated common sense. He didn’t vote. What’s the problem?
April 9, 2014 at 11:53 AM
What’s the problem? You’re kidding. He shouldn’t even have been present. This is about trustees and leases and crown land. The same as last meeting when he did declare a conflict. Consistency has never been his strong point – not when it comes to point scoring and furthering the agenda for some select groups.
April 9, 2014 at 10:34 PM
He didn’t vote. No conflict. Leaving the room is for show and perception. Sometimes an easy way out. Some of the councillors that leave the room to look good and do their bidding in private. Out of sight. Lipshutz was able to bring information to the council that otherwise would have gone unsaid. Consistency is a political issue. He did nothing wrong. You just don’t like him.
April 9, 2014 at 9:10 AM
can someone give Okotel her MRC members medal. She truly represents the MRC community.
April 9, 2014 at 12:06 PM
Cr Okotel is such a disappointment.
April 9, 2014 at 8:53 PM
Esakoff doesn’t think so…
April 9, 2014 at 10:48 PM
Okotel is Esakoff’s dummy.
April 9, 2014 at 9:11 AM
It is refreshing to see a Councillor stand steadfast in his beliefs and commitment to the residents. Well done Cr Magee. It sounds like the Trustees are almost on the ropes.
April 9, 2014 at 1:46 PM
People seem to have forgotten the main issue in all of this. It isn’t about sport. It’s about governance and conflicts of interest. Magee and of course Lipshutz want this all hushed up probably because Maccabi is set to get the infield. That’s been worked out years ago as a dse letter on this very blogsite revealed years ago. No one wants the minister and his lib mates on the mrc to be dragged out into the open. That becomes very embarrassing. The next best thing is to push the lack of open space. Mind you, I’m not denying that there is a lack of open space and that it could be used by sporting groups. What gets up my nose is that the important stuff is ignored.
Lipshutz is a joke. When he and Pilling and Esakoff and Hyams passed the c60 and the centre of the racecourse stuff there was not a word about the tunnel. It was okay. Now it’s a problem. They knew this years ago but did nothing. Now that it’s all over they can pretend that they give a damn about access and public amenity. Crap and more crap.
He has to explain why when 2 of his mates think they’ve got a conflict of interest and he doesn’t. Are they morons and he’s the expert like he is on heritage and trees and everything in the universe, or is this latest stunt just to make him sound good and divert peoples attention from what they should be screaming about. The fun and games that have gone on between government, mrc, and council and all done in secret to boot.
April 9, 2014 at 1:59 PM
I am not jewish but I welcome them using the infield. It will not happen without their political pressure and the rest of the community will benefit as well. I imagine most jewish sport would be on Sunday so how can this adversly affect the MRC unless they would prefer to be using it for car parking for some trade event on that day. Im sure there would be plenty of room for everyone else on Sunday as well. Also there will be at least another 5 days a week others can be using the fields for sport and walking there dogs. Much nicer to walk your dog on Glenhuntly park oval than the dump in the middle of the racecourse. Also Glen Eira college could make use of all the sports fields as well and could be designated a sports school. It will be great we can get full utilization of this valuable open space. By the way the maccabi letter was about the pointless land at the roundabout. Just sell it to help pay for the development of this development of the racecourse center
April 9, 2014 at 2:14 PM
Even more remarkable regarding the love and hate of the tunnel issue is that when residentsopposed th “7 Lot Subdivision” and the tunnel entry Glen Eira City, QC and the MRC QC opposed residents’ views regarding the tunnel and came to a secret S73 Agreement which residents now relise is nonsense as far as free entry goes and now that councillor is jumping on the anti-tunnel walk. It would be a juicy walk today! Even more perculiar is the fact that the councillor spoke out about trustee matters although according to council minutes councillors/trustees have been unable to do this.
April 9, 2014 at 5:11 PM
maybe Lips didn’t want to be with Hyams and Esacoff
April 9, 2014 at 8:33 PM
(MODERATORS: word deleted) is playing games and is not aware that people known him well.
April 9, 2014 at 6:20 PM
Lipshutz was right to defend the Trustees and MRC over AJAX and a few residents wanting to walk their dog. The racecourse produces jobs and training needs to stay at Caulfield.
April 9, 2014 at 6:49 PM
Hardly convincing about the need for horse-training to remain at Caulfield for the jobs. That argument didn’t fly at Epsom, Ascot, Aspendale Park, Camberwell, Fitzroy (Croxton), Mentone, Mordialloc, Richmond, Sandown Park and Williamstown since interest in racing is dwindling. If the Government and GECC cared about a healthy balance between jobs and other resident needs they’d change their planning scheme to encourage that balance. As it stands, policy is simply incoherent.
April 9, 2014 at 6:50 PM
The manner in which conflict of interest is treated in Glen Eira is cause for great concern in my opinion. Two council meetings ago, all three councillor trustees took part in discussion and voted. Last council meeting all declared a conflict of interest. Now there are 2 declaring a conflict and one councillor refusing to. Quite incredible when all three meetings have basically concerned the same issue – the mrc and valuer general and the role of the trustees. From sitting on the outside it definitely looks like the concepts behind conflict of interest are very malleable and exclusively at the service of personal and political agendas.
I’d also like to know exactly what role Andrew Newton may have had in all this since his legislated function is to provide guidance and legal advice. It seemed to work with Penhalluriack and Forge in removing them from all involvement with the c60 and the centre of the racecourse negotiations.Perhaps Newton’s “persuasive” skills have miraculously ebbed away?!!!!!
April 9, 2014 at 10:36 PM
anyone know what is going on with the lease on the Neerim Road stables. 1 it is pretty hard to justify the lease of this public land when there is such a shortage of sports grounds in Caulfield. Can’t see how MRC would say this is not suitable for organised sport. 2. If the lease is not renewed would this mean training at Caulfield would be unviable with so few trainers left. 3. I think part of the reason the MRC doesnt want to remove the fence is the stench coming from those stables especially with such a large population living in such proximity
April 10, 2014 at 1:40 PM
18 years left on their 21 year lease.
AQUANITA MANAGEMENT
Directors: Mike Symons he is Chairman of the Melbourne Racing Club and a director of Aquanita Racing. a partner in leading corporate and financial advisory firm, Canterbury Partners and a Trustee of Caulfield Racecourse.
April 10, 2014 at 8:31 PM
And just how much does the Chairman of the MRC and the Director of the Aquanita Racing and Trustee of the Racecourse pay for the use of Crown Land. As per Magee’s comments; a paltry $10,000 pa (and it goes to the MRC under a sublease arrangement rather than to the Trustees as an addition to the MRC Lease).
Why the downplaying of conflict of interest.
Is the stink purely from horse manure, NOT!!!!
April 11, 2014 at 8:57 AM
If you think this stinks, what about the Land Swap?
April 10, 2014 at 10:04 AM
Magee would know this. Have you tried ringing or shooting an e-mail?
April 10, 2014 at 1:06 PM
http://tramtalk.net/ has article on Piling talking about Tabaret on crown land
April 10, 2014 at 1:22 PM
So am I mistaken but wasn’t Pilling one of the Gang of Four to approve 3000 new residences for socially disadvantaged on the door of the Racecourse Pokies venue and also supported to land swap giving the MRC land for parking for the Racecourse Pokies. What a dud.
April 10, 2014 at 1:18 PM
As explained by many this issue is primarily a political one. An explanation of why and how it works is on this link http://www.theage.com.au/national/education/blogs/third-degree/horses-for-courses-20120806-23pz0.html , regarding the reason for Monash Uni site to have been chosen in Clayton rathsr than Caulfield. Here is an extract: “But influential people, including premier Henry Bolte, believed that the turf club had a right to continue operating and would have to be compensated for the buildings if its lease wasn’t renewed on the Crown land.” and
“The racing club said it would need £3.7 million to compensate it for the value of the buildings. But Davison and Murphy checked old Caulfield council rate books and found the buildings were valued at only £200,000.
‘‘Even if generous allowance is made for the traditional conservatism of council evaluations, and for the costs of removing the club’s operation to Sandown, the compensation estimate appears to have been contrived to support a decision that was ultimately political rather than economic.’’
Golf clubs also jacked up at the idea of leaving their sites. The authors note that in ‘‘1958 there were simply more votes to be lost among golfers and race-goers than to be won among potential students of the new university’’.
April 10, 2014 at 9:32 PM
In 1958 not everyone got a vote for council. Strictly landowners, if they felt like it.
April 10, 2014 at 11:06 PM
Quite remarkable on the leasing of property matters one of the Kambrook Road trainers pays almost $250,000 for rental on land which is “owned” by the Melbourne Racing Club … but that’s different????? Yes if I were the MRC i’d be laughing all the way to the bank.
April 11, 2014 at 9:45 AM
One trainer pays $250,000 while Aquanita Racing pays $10,000. Aquanita Racing most know someone in the MRC.
April 11, 2014 at 9:32 AM
Good on ya Vic Roads.
It’s about time someone took a critical look at the mess C60 will create with regards traffic and parking.
April 11, 2014 at 9:40 AM
Now that Cr Magee has got the media to focus on the Racecourse, watch for Mr Southwick to get the Minister to come out to the Racecourse and tell the world that the member for Caulfield has been working tirelessly behind the scenes to secure the centre of the racecourse for the people of Glen Eira. You have wasted all your time Cr Magee, Mr Southwick has been working on this for years, or days!!!. Is there an election coming up?. Where is the ALP candidate, or is there one?
April 11, 2014 at 10:53 AM
AJAX and MACCABI have spoken!
It will now be considered law!
75% (that figure doesn’t seem kosher) of AJAX members can’t play in GE. How about we kick other rate payers out so AJAX rate payers can play instead.
Now that seems more Kosher.
April 11, 2014 at 1:19 PM
$175,000 will get you a ground in Glen Eira. Or maybe not.
April 12, 2014 at 9:50 PM
Now that the Council Minutes are out, it too claims there was one absention. It doesn’t say which councillor absented themselves from the chamber. Normally the departure and return of councillors is noted. There is just a chance that a councillor abstained from from voting, but that is not what the Minutes that our CEO has prepared says.