Item 9.17 – Sporting Allocation Policy
Hyams moved to defer item until next council meeting.Lipshutz seconded.
HYAMS: said this was a ‘complicated matter’ that they ‘wanted to get right’ and that the policy ‘requires a bit more work’ and that councillors after ‘a bit more discussion’ revisit the issue.
LIPSHUTZ: said that ‘various emails went around’ today and that ‘some councillors’ proposed some changes. So he thought that it ‘was appropriate’ that all councillors get a chance to look at the proposed ‘amendments’ and ‘get it right’. Delaying would give councillors the ‘opportunity to look at the various changes’ in greater ‘detail’.
MAGEE: began by saying that it’s ‘important that we get this document right’. More people are playing sport and there’s ‘not enough open space for them all’ and 20 teams couldn’t be accommodated. Said there are clubs who aren’t playing who would want to play in Glen Eira and ‘how we manage that is incredibly important’. Said that after ‘6 or 8 months’ that they are ‘still debating’ the issue, shows how important this is. What councillors are trying to do ‘is refine it’ (the policy) so that the majority are benefitted and any negative repercussions are limited to the least number of people. Also said that the open space should also be used properly ‘not just for active events but also passive events’. Thought the ‘policy is very, very close’ to ‘getting it right’. Said he got a couple of emails today one of which ‘I liked’ and one which he didn’t like. So all that mattered now was that the policy be given a little ‘tweak’.
DELAHUNTY: supported deferring because ‘we haven’t really come to consensus’ on the issue. Thought that ‘this was a good lesson’ about what should have been done ‘in the beginning’ and that there’s been ‘no transparency on the decision making’ and that council ‘needs to take that lesson on board’. Said that it will be completed soon because ‘we can’t drag this on any longer’ and ‘whatever it takes we need to get transparency’ into the process.
OKOTEL: said this was important because this was ‘the first time’ that council’s ‘practices would be put into a policy that would be followed’. Also wanted ‘some feedback’ to be ‘received from the community’ and this could take the form of either ‘some satisfaction feedback from sporting clubs’ and others that it was important for ‘the development of this policy’.
LOBO: started by saying that history shows that council ‘jumps’ to make laws and policies and codes of conduct ‘just because of one instance’ and said that this policy is ‘because of one club’ and ‘we have not checked with the other clubs if they are also facing issues’. Went on to say that out of the other clubs there haven’t been any ‘issues with them’ who ‘conform to our rules and regulations and working with council’. Claimed that ‘the practice’ was ‘working well’ and an ‘unwritten policy so far has been working extremely well’ and that the government told them that they are one of the ‘best’ in terms of processes and if nothing is wrong then ‘why do we try to repair it’. Said that policies do need to be ‘reviewed’ from time to time ‘based on experience’ and that many residents also play in ‘neighbouring municipalities’ and that ‘sport does not recognise municipal boundaries’. Lobo then went on to mention the ombudsman and said ‘when I was last interviewed by the Municipal Inspector’ he was ‘asked whether it is my responsibility to enter into the operational side’. AT THIS JUNCTURE MAGEE SPRANG UP WITH A POINT OF ORDER. WITHOUT EXPLAINING ANY POINT OF ORDER PILLING SAID “I WILL UPHOLD THAT’ and whilst Pilling ‘appreciated’ Lobo’s concern and passion asked that he stick to the motion. Lobo then said ‘we should not interfere with the operational side of the council’.
HYAMS: said that although November is the time for sending out requests for allocations the delay won’t hurt this because ‘we can still do this’. Referred to Lobo’s statement about ‘doing this for the benefit of one club’ and that that’s not correct. Said that issues might be brought up by one person and that causes a rethink. Went on to give example of Weekend Story time where a resident had told him that they couldn’t make the midweek time slots but they could if this was held on weekends. So he ‘suggested’ this change and it was brought in. So this is an example where someone has brought to council’s attention that the ‘policy is not as transparent as it could be’ and as a result ‘we decided to act on it’. Not about one club because there are plenty of others who can’t get allocations so ‘they also want to know why they can’t get the allocations’. He ‘rejects the slur’ from Lobo that ‘we’re doing this for one club’
PILLING: said he didn’t think that Lobo was ‘slurring’ one club. ‘It wasn’t a slur’ and asked Hyams to ‘withdraw’ that comment.
HYAMS: ‘Okay’ that was his interpretation. Went on to say that ‘the last time’ he spoke with an ‘integrity agency’ he was told all discussions were confidential and commended Magee for the point of order in order to prevent Lobo ‘from breaking that law’. Said that Lobo ‘was right’ about councillors not being involved in ‘operations’ and that ‘he’s right’. Councillors ‘set policy’ and ‘this is what we’re doing’.
MOTION PUT AND PASSED UNANIMOUSLY
COMMENT
Doublespeak continues unabated. Hyams’ use of the term ‘transparency’ in regards to introducing weekend Story Time is the highlight of the debate in our view. Next, Okotel’s call for ‘feedback’ is also remarkable and we ask – why wasn’t this done BEFORE any so called policy came into being? And how does she suggest this now be incorporated into what’s already been written? Formal submissions? ‘Private’ discussions? The latter will really enhance ‘transparency’ no doubt! Delahunty’s little kick up the backside would be far more convincing if real actions actually preceded the tabling of such a document. Lobo’s and Okotel’s admissions that there was no policy, just ‘process’ signifies the extent to which Glen Eira Council believes, adheres to, and implements any form of ‘transparency’. It would appear that only when residents have had a gut full of this administration’s autocratic rule and there are sufficient complaints from possible vested interests, or simple outrage together with negative publicity, that councillors see the need to ‘tweak’ something rather than doing what they should have been doing months and months ago. This isn’t a question of 6 to 8 months of delay. It’s years and years of secrecy and the failure to ensure full accountability.
November 27, 2013 at 11:23 AM
Does anyone know whether any of the sporting clubs have put pressure on MP’s about getting access to Caulfield racecourse. This is the only way it will happen. Can argue about back room deals and who gets what allocation but it will never be solved without increasing the fields available. Also we would like trees in Caulfield Park yet MRC do not want trees in the middle of the race course so what a much better location for sports grounds
November 27, 2013 at 11:41 AM
Please see one of our earlier posts re ‘pressure’ and secret deals already done!
https://gleneira.wordpress.com/2013/06/20/racecourse-council-government-the-unholy-alliance/
November 27, 2013 at 12:33 PM
Apologies! We put up the wrong link!
See: https://gleneira.wordpress.com/2013/02/28/from-a-concerned-resident/
November 27, 2013 at 12:00 PM
no but after this have the clubs done anything or plan to lobby as this is the only way anything can happen?
November 27, 2013 at 12:01 PM
Delahunty can speak about “lessons” forever and a day. The truth of the matter is that these councillors have learnt nothing and now find themselves literally between a rock and a hard place. The rock is represented by Burke and council’s culture to always keep things under wraps and their way. The hard place is being seen to be amenable to community wishes. These are direct opposites and conflict on most occasions. Councillors can’t be seen to be too much in favour of giving preference to locals because that would once again open up the real can or worms about the gesac basketball allocations. Neither can they be seen to be outwardly favouring Ajax because that in turn would be a slap in the face to Burke. They’ve backed him on gesac and now they have to back him with Ajax otherwise favouritism will be the outcry as it already has been. A real dilemma I would think for Lipshutz Esakoff and Hyams.
The only lesson I and I assume most informed residents could take out of this latest storm is that councillors have made their beds and now have to lie in it. Their problems are of their own making.
November 27, 2013 at 12:55 PM
Magee Oh Magee – a man without a vision. How did he get voted in as a Councillor?
November 27, 2013 at 1:30 PM
Oscar well done you have an extremely valid point, what AJAX want they think they can get. They are no more important than any other sports club but with their council links they think they can do as they like.
November 27, 2013 at 3:24 PM
Oscar for Mayor
November 27, 2013 at 3:56 PM
You must be Cr Lobo. Most of what you say sounds like it came straight from Lobo’s mouth. (MODERATORS: last sentence deleted)
November 27, 2013 at 2:16 PM
Lobo’s doing a councillor course. He needs it badly. Policy and operational matters are not the same thing. When he stops arse licking Newton and starts thinking about what he was elected to do then he might be a better councillor. At least we know that the wind has been put up them with all these investigations. All should be tested in a court of law and I’d wager that the complainants have come straight out of council offices or certain people could have been coached on what to do to preserve the jobs of other individuals. Words fail me over how sick this council is.
November 27, 2013 at 3:22 PM
Only time will tell if this was all for Ajax. If it was its a total farce and councillors are to blame. If only we all got special treatment.
November 27, 2013 at 3:53 PM
More crap followed by bigger crap.
First you are unable to come up with a policy on what constitutes “organized sport” vs. informal groups meeting on regular basis for physical activity (jogging or FRISBEEs) – this issue is at least 10 years old and it is still unresolved. It also has a history of rearing it’s head on a bi-annual basis.
Second, you don’t have any policy on how the sporting grounds (which Council admits are woefully inadequate for current demand and abysmal for future demand), are allocated to various sporting groups. You just leave it in the hands of the Administration who, when pushed, finally submit a document largely based on what they have been doing (i.e. decisions based made on promised $’s) rather than what is the most reasonable and equitable.
Third, Councillors, rather than considering appointing a special committee to address the issue, sling the document into the too hard basket and defer it without any timeline for re-submission
Fourth, you cloud the issue with the age old furphies of Ajax and the centre of the racecourse. It also helps to further cloud the issue if you add slurring another Councillor into the mix.
The majority of other Councils have sporting ground allocation policies so why doesn’t Glen Eira. Particularly as we are constantly told how wonderful the Administration is.
November 27, 2013 at 4:11 PM
“Lobo then said ‘we should not interfere with the operational side of the council”.
Sorry Cr Lobo, but isn’t it your job to put together the Policy?. I think council is wasting a lot of ratepayer’s money on you Cr.
November 27, 2013 at 6:24 PM
I agree that Councillors should not interfere with the operational side of the Council. Their legally defined role is to set the rules, regulations and policies for the operational side of Council and to provide the necessary oversight to ensure that the operational side complies with the rules, regulations and policies. It is a role they totally fail in.
The rules, regulations and policies are written by the Administration and rubber stamped by Councillors rarely read read, much less question them. There is nothing is discussed in an open Council Meeting that hasn’t already been discussed and decided behind closed doors (i.e. the no surprises policy), the setting of the meeting agenda by the CEO (no councillor input), and the use of delegations covering just about everything without having to report back to Council on anything.
The end result is that, in the rare instance of a Councillor actually asking a serious question, or attempting to pursue an legitmate issue on behalf of a residents, is that the Administration’s ability to label it “ïnterference”.
November 27, 2013 at 6:50 PM
Does anyone know the distinction between raising questions for “oversight purposes” vs. what is considered “ïnterference”.
November 27, 2013 at 4:27 PM
Cr Lobo you are the most honest councillor with the highest integrity. Continue the fight as you have a lot of support within this municipality. All you need are a couple others to join in and you will govern this Council.
November 27, 2013 at 4:35 PM
PM (Proper moron)
November 27, 2013 at 6:44 PM
Unfortunately, I lost support for Lobo when he made the comment that
‘unwritten policy so far has been working extremely well’.
1. As a Councillor it is his job to set the policy and ensure that the policy is adhered to. Describing a policy as unwritten indicates just how badly he and his fellow Councillors are doing their jobs.
2. As for it working extremely well I wonder what information he has, other than Paul Burke’s say so, to substantiate this comment. In fact I’d point to the seemingly endless Ajax disputes and the extremely controversial secretive allocation of the GESAC basket ball courts (Warriors vs McKinnon) as being indicators that the “unwritten policy” is not worth the paper it’s not written on.
November 27, 2013 at 5:26 PM
The policy itself is not that important because it will remain a set of motherhood statements that mean nothing and who selects and what priorities are attached to these selections will also remain undisclosed. What this is all about in my opinion is a power struggle – not necessarily between councillors since it’s obvious that Lobo cannot abide the gang – but between some of the councillors and the administration. Demanding full transparency limits the control of Burke and his staff. Also, decisions then become open to scrutiny and are capable of being challenged. That’s why there has never been a formal policy. Once something is written down and especially if it’s made public, then that’s a liability and could lead to all sorts of difficulties. Keeping it all in-house between Burke and the various clubs is very unhealthy. It makes clubs beholden to council and also means that their ability to argue or oppose certain council decisions are always limited. I would think that at the back of their mind there is always the implied threat that their ground allocation could suddenly disappear.
I have come to the conclusion that the Ajax story and why so much was made of it last year has got very little to do with the availability of grounds and everything to do with clubs getting together and sidestepping Burke. That means a loss of control and the demise of his power base. If clubs can work things out between themselves then council and Burke are superfluous. That’s the bottom line as far as I’m concerned. It’s all about who runs the show and who maintains their power base.
November 27, 2013 at 6:19 PM
We thought it might be enlightening for readers to see what Pilling wrote on his blog in December 2011. My, how times have changed!
Earlier today sent this email thru to Crs ,CEO and admin on the need next year to review the whole Expression of Interest process that led to the present unfortunate situation where 1400+ local kids, families and clubs will most probably not be enjoying the brand new facilties at GESAC next year.
It was a case I feel of the wrong process for the wrong situation and an important part of any review will be acknowledging this. To conduct to what amounted to a quasi commercial tender process was to say the least misguided.
“In the aftermath of this years Gesac basketball saga feel it would be helpful to spend time in the New Year reviewing the whole EOI process and the criteria used in assessing.
I feel there are real questions as to whether this was the right way to go from the start.It’s too simple and misses the point just to say that the MBA should have submitted a better bid.
There has to be a better way of determining the allocation – one that is more equitable and doesnt over emphasise ‘marketing business plans’ and court fees at the expense of real community need and the realities of local sport. Will do some research on similar situations for info on different allocation models. In my mind there are similarities to the childcare fees issues about getting the balance right.
In the end the current EOI process lead to a poor outcome that has caused anghst and outcry in our communities- For this reason alone we should work hard to ensure a fairer more community minded process is in place for the second twelve mths of GESAC”
November 27, 2013 at 6:46 PM
Pilling’s old post compared to what he is like now tells residents a lot about the man. Such an email reaching the public today would be impossible with the new code of conduct that Pilling voted for. My only possible way of reading this is that principle and integrity are no match for the role of mayor and its accompanying monetary package.
November 27, 2013 at 9:09 PM
There’s been a seismic shift in the idealistic Pilling who was voted in on a platform of openness, transparency and accountability. He’s now more interested in pragmatism and if that means dicing his fundamental Green credentials he’ll do it. Hopefully those in the Green movement will be across the new compromised Pilling so they can make the appropriate call when he next puts his hand up for a Parliamentary seat – this time for a winnable seat.
November 27, 2013 at 6:44 PM
He has moved on and by all accounts, doesn’t care because kids are in the stadium playing basketball and that is how the contract works (or was it changed to a lease?) No amount of marketing, a key feature of the EOI win, has been able to lure players into the Oakleigh named competition. The huge benefit is that there is always a court free for basketball enthusiasts to use. Is the Council ‘double selling’ the court space? Promised $4000 a week by the Oakleigh Warriors while on a Saturday night reception charges $5.30 for an individual to shoot.
Come on Mr Burke, show us some figures and we’ll all be happy.
And as for our elected Council….talk is cheap.
November 27, 2013 at 7:10 PM
The figures on gesac are bullshit and just wait until they hand over millions to Hansen there will be more bullshit.
November 27, 2013 at 7:52 PM
Why should another established Glen Eira sports club who are legally abiding by council rules be expelled at the whim of Ajax. Who do they think they are and why do they believe they can kick another existing club out. It will be interesting to see if their are connections with Ajax and Councillors. Maccabi already own all of Caulfield Park now what Ajax will own all Princes Park. Help us Oscar!
November 27, 2013 at 10:13 PM
There was nothing about kicking out another club. It was about swapping grounds which the other club agreed to. Personally I don’t care who gets what grounds as long as all is above board and fully disclosed. I want locals to get first choice and not people who don’t pay rates here.
November 28, 2013 at 12:16 AM
It would be very rare for a club of any form to have all members from the same municipality, as long as there are members who are rate payers its fIne. After all from a council financial point of view a $$$ from Toorak is worth just as much as a $$$ from Dandenong. I hope you don’t use amenities from other municipalities?
November 28, 2013 at 11:42 AM
Why are the other Councillors gutless to expose the self centred gang with special camouflaged/brainwashing tactics. Is the little master Lobo our saviour? Is he the only one who has studied the CT scan of the gang? Too much BS for too long. Resident revolution on the way.
November 28, 2013 at 12:01 PM
Lobo has studied the CT Scans of the gang. Lobo the little master will be making centuries. While Tendulker is preparing for Indian politics and earmarked to be India’s young PM (Pro-active Master), Lobo or one of his family members will fight for all residents should they decide to run for the Federal or State elections when local councils will be under strict scrutiny. Lobo please support all residents not only Indians or for that matter people from Goa.Neither the liberal, some Labor, the Greens or Clive Palmer’s party will understand Lobo and his mind.