NEWS FLASH: KELVIN HO IS COUNCILLOR ELECT
Motion to accept moved by Hyams and seconded by Lipshutz.
HYAMS: started off by saying that one of the ‘requirements’ for councils is to regularly review their planning schemes and this was last done in 2010/11. People then told council that they ‘wanted mandatory heights’, ‘transition zones’, and ‘better protection of neighbourhood character’. Council therefore ‘implemented neighbourhood character overlays’, plus the new zones ‘had height limits’. In regards to Commercial zones then VCAT ‘disagrees’ with officers who believe that ‘our policies should protect’ against ‘this type of height that VCAT has been allowing’. Said ‘I don’t have a lot of faith in VCAT’ but they make the decisions and this is ‘binding’ so it’s ‘something that we need to look at’ in order to give Commercial zones ‘greater protection’ in regard to heights. The government is now looking at the residential zones, so ‘it is good’ that the discussion paper ‘doesn’t focus directly on those’ because ‘whatever we decide’ can be over-ridden by the government. Stated that the original Plan Melbourne talked about 60% of development going into established suburbs, but with the new Plan Melbourne Refresh the figure is no 70% of development in established suburbs so that means ‘cramming more dwellings into established suburbs’. He hoped therefore that the ‘protections that we do have aren’t diminished by Plan Melbourne Refresh’.
Claimed that ‘community consultation’ is very important and that ‘what the community tells us’ from the review ‘will guide us’. Went through the various scheduled meetings and the themes of the discussion paper. Said that council would collate all the information and then send it off to the Minister in August. Changes ‘will require a formal planning scheme amendment’ so this will ‘need to go through a lengthy process’ of consultation, planning panels and then council’s position sent off to the Minister. So even if ‘we all agree’ about height limits in commercial zones, and other things, it will still depend on the Minister.
LIPSHUTZ: planning schemes are ‘integral’ because it ‘certainly affects everyone’ so it is ‘important that the community be involved’. Agreed with Hyams that it’s important that people are involved and they come to the meetings and ‘present their views’ because they can then ‘go to the government’ and say that ‘we’ve listened to the community; we actually know what the community wants’. Said it’s not 9 councillors saying this is what we like, but the ‘community saying this is what we require’. With the new zones people were saying that there is now development that ‘wasn’t allowed before’ well, ‘no one can build anything now that they could not before’. People can ‘twitter’ as much as they like and use other social media but ‘at the end of the day’ it’s ‘so important’ that people come ‘to these meetings and put your views’. Thought that the ‘zones are working well, but they can be improved’. Problem is VCAT because ‘they allow one thing in’ and the ‘next development comes along’ and they say ‘it is a street that is changing, therefore we will allow a second one’ and this ‘opens the floodgates’. Welcomed the review and wanted community ‘answers’ to take to the government’.
MAGEE: said he welcomed the review and that he wrote to the Planning Minister ‘last year asking for various types of reviews’ especially on the commercial zones and imposing overlays. ‘We had already commenced those discussions with the Minister’. So it is good that the ‘MInister is now formally requesting us to do what we were asking the Minister to let us do’. Said that ‘we can change our planning scheme, we can change our zones’ but this ‘won’t make one iota of difference’ if the Minister doesn’t also review VCAT. VCAT must ‘apply’ the planning scheme and shouldn’t be able ‘just to consider’ it. So council ‘can do all this work’ which they have done in 2002 and in 2010 and the ‘community told us’ what they wanted. ‘We knew street by street’ what people wanted through the minimal change areas. This was then changed into the new zones and ‘there were still problems’ because those problems are due to VCAT. Perfect example is Claire Street, McKinnon where there was a ‘totally inappropriate’ application. The ‘applicant lost at VCAT and came back to us a few months later’ with a new application which is ‘very little difference’. ‘So if there is no clear guidance from the Minister to VCAT’ then this planning scheme review is just ‘window dressing’. ‘It looks good, it sounds good, we’re all happy’ until the first council rejection goes to VCAT and ‘they disregard our planning scheme’. ‘You’re in the hands of an individual at VCAT’. Welcomes community input and ‘that will be what this council puts forward’ but unless the Minister looks at VCAT then ‘I worry that we are doing all this for no reason’.
ESAKOFF: said she was looking forward to community views and that ‘it is hard to imagine that anyone would want more’ development. Thinks that people will say that they want ‘less development’. Said she remembers community forums in 2002 where people were ‘horrified’ at the thought of 3 storey shop-top housing. For Council ‘to put forward what our community says’ is ‘going to be a difficult one’ because for ‘us to go back with a lesser footprint if you like’ that what is there now, ‘we know where that is going to be put’ and ‘it won’t be accepted’. ‘Anything other than more won’t be accepted’. Hoped that she was wrong in this forecast. What the community has got to say is ‘important’ because they might come up with ‘ideas’ that council ‘has yet to hear’ so this is ‘well worth listening to’.
SOUNNESS: said he’s got some experience in planning elsewhere where height and density is combined in other states. Victoria is different and complex and hard for people to understand. Said that the themes are good and people should respond not with planning language but with ‘your vernacular’. Thought that the 3rd theme on environmental sustainability was ‘vital’. Said he’s got a major concern about climate, and how ‘we adapt and manage’ these changes. Temperature increases mean less water and impacts on farming and food production.
LOBO: said he would try not to be ‘controversial’. Said he forecasts that the zones could ‘remain the same’ but people will have the opportunity to voice ‘their concerns’ and ‘what they have lost and hopefully what they will not lose in the future’. Said that the repeated ‘sentence’ that you can’t do now what you could do before’ is true, but the ‘zones’ have given ‘authority to builders to open up the floodgates’. Council can’t stop this or stop VCAT. So council is insisting on ‘democracy for Skyrail’ and ‘in this case we may have overlooked the democracy of asking the residents to comment’.
PILLING: said that Carnegie and Bentleigh East were ‘the real hotspots’ where residents ‘are concerned’ as well as the activity centres. ‘This is a chance for residents to get involved’. Thought this would be a ‘really valuable exercise’.
HYAMS: commented on the consultation on the zones and the consultation on Skyrail that Lobo referred to. The zones ‘were a direct translation’ from minimal change and housing diversity areas. The difference was that ‘in each of those zones we actually put more restrictions on what could be built’ and put on mandatory heights and increased setbacks. ‘So we actually did provide better protection right throughout Glen Eira’ and that’s why ‘we didn’t feel it was necessary to consult because’ it was basically a ‘transition’ and they were only ‘implementing the findings of the previous consultation’ where people wanted height limits and transition zones which ‘came with the’ new residential zones. But with Skyrail the government is ‘proposing to put in something that completely changes the neighbourhood amenity’. Didn’t think there was ‘any valid comparison’ between the two examples. Urged people to ‘take advantage of the opportunity’ to comment and let council know ‘what they are thinking’. Said there’s a ‘tension’ between the need to ‘preserve neighbourhood character and residential amenity’ and to cater for a ‘substantial population growth’. This is what they tried to achieve with the zones by directing growth to transport corridors, ‘closer to shops so there would be less driving’. Not everyone’s going to ‘get what they want’ but important that people have a say.
MOTION PUT AND PASSED UNANIMOUSLY
NOTE: DELAHUNTY WAS ABSENT
April 6, 2016 at 8:05 AM
Rarely do I agree with Hyams. However, when he uses Council’s implementation of Neighbourhood Character Overlays (NCO’s) as an example of how responsive Council has been to residents (vocal and long standing) concerns, I have to agree with his choice of example.
To explain,
2002/3 – Implementation of Neighbourhood Character Overlays (as opposed to Council’s use of Significant Character Area Policies) was recommended by the Independent Planning Panel assessing Council’s implementation of the Housing Diversity/MInimal Change Area Policy. This policy was, in 2013, “directly and neutrally translated” into the current Planning Zones.
2008 – another Independent Planning Panel reviewing the Significant Character Area Policies again recommended implementing NCO’s rather than the policies
2012 – NCO’s implemented in Glen Eira. They were described as “new” planning tools (the newness being related to their use in Glen Eira rather than how long the tool had been available) to replace the ineffective Significant Character Area Policies.
6/4/2016 Glen Eira has 6 Neighbourhood Character Overlays, none of which are in the growth zones.
In a built up Municipality that covers 38 sqkm, with many character areas that residents consider worthy of NCO consideration, taking 10 years to implement 6 only NCO’s is a bloody good example of how responsive Council has been to residents’ concerns.
April 6, 2016 at 8:41 AM
The message I’m getting out of these speeches is more than disappointing. It is disgusting. The zones won’t be touched and nothing done with the schedules. The same old blame game is going on. Vcat and more vcat. Maybe height limits in commercial areas will be imposed but that is it. Height limits are not the be all and end all. There’s plenty that council needs to think about in addition to heights like urban design car parking and so on. Magee has got it in a nutshell. Window dressing all right, but not to the benefit of residents and definitely not an attempt to improve too much. They’ve been told to do a planning scheme review and are just going through the motions.
April 6, 2016 at 10:58 AM
Esakoff’s version of events is set on “more development” versus “less development”. Not the full picture by a long shot. I will hazard a guess and say that what the community wants is “better development” that does give a hoot about neighbourhood character, the environment. Better development is achievable if council takes off its blinkers, acknowledges its poor planning record and coughs up to the fact that the zones and their accompanying schedules aren’t doing the job for residents.
April 6, 2016 at 10:14 AM
got some news for Hyams. zones will be focused on by the community.
April 6, 2016 at 11:03 AM
I’m not impressed by Council’s rhetoric. The Planning Scheme hasn’t been reviewed regularly, and certainly not every 4 years. The Discussion Paper fails to address the key requirements of a review. The zones aren’t working well—they haven’t delivered fairness or housing diversity across the municipality, and the “standards” are mostly ignored. The Scheme isn’t effective if there is so much disagreement between Council and VCAT. The 2013 changes weren’t neutral—they changed purposes, as-of-right uses, decision guidelines, neighbourhood character criteria, which have all flowed into different outcomes post-implementation.
We continue to have a “performance-based” system which is open to abuse by decision-makers. Amenity standards for C1Z and its surrounding areas are weak. Council claims we have “85 years’ supply”, undermining claims RGZ is necessary. Open space is poorly distributed. Council has explicitly acknowledged that application of NRZ means that the rest of the municipality [>30%] will have to wear further loss of amenity. Key parts of the Scheme are decades out of date due to Council’s lack of interest. It would be unfeasibly expensive to provide sufficient infrastructure if the municipality was developed to the maximum allowed in every zone yet there are no statutory constraints to prevent it.
Council doesn’t have a consistent position on anything other than residents should STFU and Council never makes mistakes.
April 6, 2016 at 11:38 AM
Beauddy! Just what we need. Another Lib councillor bringing in chinese money for highrise.
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April 6, 2016 at 1:29 PM
Ho will be brainwashed by the gang starting with O’Kotell who obediently listened to the 3 bad apples. What a shame they got rid of Frank Penhalluriack accusing him of conflict with mulch, building materials etc. Gang spent ratepayers money amounting to over $150K for not declaring busineses interest.
Frank was a libereral. From the involment of real estate business interests of Ho, it would be interesting to see if they are genuine councillors working in the interest of everyone.
April 6, 2016 at 3:48 PM
I cannot see any benefit in introducing height limits for only commercial zoned properties and not mixed use zone properties. Often these two are next to each other especially in Carnegie. There are also countless commercially zoned properties that are outside the major activity centres and there is no indication that council intends to address what happens here. This seems like it is policy on the run again. Being told they have to do something they intend to do the absolute minimum and pretend that they are listening to residents.
April 6, 2016 at 6:12 PM
Smart Alex, Hyms has been in the Counicil for three bloody terms and has reached the use by date. He was a Mayor by luck after 2 terms and no majority of Councillors voted for him and a toss of a coin made him a Mayor.
Hyms rushed to Mathew guy to get the planning zones approved to show off GE was first to submit the most destructive zones.
Three terms and hope he has realised how disgruntled the resident are. The gang needs to exit.
April 6, 2016 at 6:36 PM
Comments are all relevant and correct. Only a total idiot would believe that this review is done willingly instead of under duress. If council was willing to look at their planning scheme and committed to hearing from residents they would have done all this way back in 2009-2013 when the zones came in.
April 6, 2016 at 8:57 PM
I was at the Council meeting on 23 February, it was absolutely disgraceful to hear Hyams and Lipshutz succum to the gutters. are a shame to their community for making an issue that exposes their community in poor light. i Community Councl. The track record for the last 12 odd years will show what their interests are. Full time and well earned jobs. Why would anyone work in Councils for $20K????? Is it the psyche?
April 8, 2016 at 5:32 PM
VCAT is wrong, yet again, but Council doesn’t help with its woefully underspecified Scheme. The purpose of GRZ is NOT substantial change. The original intention of GRZ was for it to apply generally and NRZ to be more of an exception.
The “Fact Sheet” DTPLI [now DELWP] published states GRZ’s role is to “respect and preserve urban character while enabling moderate housing growth and housing diversity”. It further claims “provided it is consistent with existing neighbourhood character”, and states the sort of housing that can be expected is “single dwellings and some medium density housing”.
VCAT’s policy however is to grant permits to the maximum extent possible under under Victoria’s “performance-based” system.
Either VCAT [and for that matter, Council] have never read the Fact Sheet or they’re wilfully ignoring it.