Hyams moved to abandon amendment plus ‘affirming’ Amendment C75 (which set up the C1 in the centre and 10 storey heights) and Plan Melbourne. Lobo seconded.
HYAMS: went basically went through the officer’s report outlining the history of the site and what occurred with C75 amendment in 2010. There was ‘maximum of 2000 square metres of retail’ with this amendment so that ‘it would service the people who work there’. Council sent 600 notifications and got 15 submissions – objectors didn’t turn up to the Panel hearing. In 2012 Minister changed zoning and now developer wants to put up to 1250 apartments and 12000 square metres of retail. Said that there are two options before council – to send to a panel or abandon amendment. On officer’s recommendation to go to panel said that this was ‘not an unreasonable recommendation’ because that would mean ‘we do some more investigation’ and the panel would ‘weigh up’ the evidence and make their own recommendations which council is then ‘free to accept or reject’ or modify. It then goes to the Minister. However, he thinks that sending it to a panel ‘would be a waste of everyone’s time and money and effort. ‘ Claimed that this view was only formed ‘late last week’ after he read the objections. In fact, ‘I can’t see myself ever supporting what the applicant is asking for’. Has ‘grave concerns’ about the ‘residential component’ and the impact on traders and ‘allowing this to proceed to the Development Plan Process’. Stated that Gillon ‘proposed’ that the amendment be changed to 1250 apartments but officers’ advice was that this may not have ‘statutary weight’. He thought that even 1250 and 3000 people is ‘still too many for this site by a long way’.
Unlike Caulfield Village this isn’t a ‘transport hub’ with only buses and would ‘increase population’ by 10% in East Bentleigh, plus the retail component could do ‘significant’ harm to local traders and shopping strips. Said council received a ‘peer review’ on the applicant’s retail impact statement and that ‘points out’ that shops ‘on the border of Glen Eira’ were ignored by the applicant’s consultants.
Said that ‘neither’ the residential or retail ‘fit our strategy for this site’ which is for Virginia Estate to ‘continue to be an employment hub’. His ‘concern’ with the Development Plan process was that if the amendment is passed and they make a ‘subsequent decision on the Development Plan’ that is ‘ultimately reviewable by VCAT’ and ‘I absolutely have no faith in VCAT’. He wants ‘something of this significance to remain under Council control’ and not the ‘whims of VCAT’.
On the survey it was ‘not from Council’ and people have two choices – either they believe it is a conspiracy or incompetence and he sees it as incompetence because he doesn’t believe that ‘the applicant actually intended to mislead’ people. But ‘the nature of the questions’ were ‘fairly distasteful’ and ‘designed to produce the desired outcome’. But ‘distasteful as is it’ they ‘don’t make planning decisions to punish’ people and so ‘this hasn’t influenced my decision’.
Wanted to address some comments made at the Planning Conference. Once was from Staikos who ‘said that it is the new planning zones that are causing development’. Said that ‘our new planning zones are not causing development’ since apart from ‘one small patch’ developers can’t build what they could before and there’s only been a ‘rush in development’ between the announcement and the gazetting because developers tried to get their applications in on the old system. Others question why council is ‘only getting 5.7%’ as an open space levy. Said that ‘experts’ determined how council ‘could get the most money’ and they said that a ‘flat rate’ for all areas was better because if they wanted more for sites such as Virginia Estate then ‘we couldn’t have got’ the 5.7% for the rest of Glen Eira. In fact the ‘person who raised that at the conference was responsible for holding up’ the amendment and costing council ‘one million dollars’. So ‘that’s what you call chutzpah’.
Now the applicant can ‘get on’ with developing the park according to Amendment C75 ‘which is in accordance with our strategy’ or they can put in a new amendment together with a planning application and ‘that way we know what we’re getting’. This was one major cause for worry for residents and councillors because ‘beyond broad parameters’ no-one knows ‘what they’re getting’. So with an amendment and planning application ‘we know what we’re getting and we make the decision’ and ‘not VCAT’.
LOBO: ‘I rise to speak for the people of East Bentleigh’. ‘People elected me to represent them and I will’. Said he won’t support amendment because ‘people do not want’ it. ‘My loyalty is towards the people of East Bentleigh’.
PILLING: said he chaired the planning conference which was a ‘good meeting’. Wanted to thank the community for their input. Said he supports the motion for 2 ‘chief’ reasons – lack of public transport and it’s not like the Caulfield Village which has a major transport rail line. Other reasons was ‘concern’ from the traders’ associations. The amendment isn’t ‘suitable and doesn’t fit our strategy’. Agreed with Hyams on the new zones that ‘you can’t get something now that you couldn’t before’ and that ‘you could probably get less now’. Plus ‘drawing a long bow’ then all parties at federal level are responsible because they ‘encourage population growth’. ‘Our job is to manage that population growth and set standards’. There’s been a lot of ‘criticism’ of council. Most ‘constructive’ but some ‘over the top’ and that’s like ‘criticising an umpire before the decision is made’. ‘Overall’ he ‘welcomes the community’s input’.
DELAHUNTY: said that in ‘making my mind up’ she is concentrating on ‘three particular areas’ – strategic reasons, planning reasons and community input. If she lets this go to a planning panel then didn’t think that she would be ‘upholding’ the premises of ‘local government’ – ie ‘listen to the community’ and then apply the strategic and planning ideas. Said mainly to the ‘applicant’ that when ‘you seek community consultation’ this must be done with ‘integrity’ and is ‘about a two way conversation’ and not just about ‘telling the community what you are about to do’. So it’s listening, ‘taking on board’ what people say and then ‘making some changes along the way’. Conceded that there ‘had been some belated attempts to do so’ and she commended the applicant on that. SAid that the Municipal Strategic Statement from the planning scheme identifies this as moving from industrial to a ‘really important employment node’. Said that ‘I don’t see any strategic reason’ why this objective should ‘go’. On planning grounds, if there is to be the upholding of this site as an employment zone then ‘commercial 2 is the best way to do this’. So, ‘I don’t find that there are planning reasons to move this forward’.
LIPSHUTZ: said that he suggested at one point that a panel would be the ‘best way to go’ so that residents could go and make submissions and it would come back and ‘we could look at it’. But he then ‘thought’ about it and decided that even if it went to a panel “I couldn’t support it, so why go to a panel in the first place?’ Repeated that ‘we intended this to be an employment hub’ and won’t be ‘under this proposal’. ‘I don’t think you can trust what the developer has said’. Hyams said incompetence, he suggests ‘conspiracy and they’ve been ‘deceptive’. Said there’s been ‘bandied around’ 4000 and 1250 units but ‘I don’t know what’s going to happen and I don’t trust them’. But ‘that’s not the reason’ why he is voting as he is. This ‘isn’t C60’ and isn’t CaulfieldStation and it will ‘kill business in this whole area’. Said he wanted to see the area ‘developed’ and for it ‘to go forward’. ‘Not something that is forced on the community’.
SOUNNESS: Said he was sure that the applicants don’t consider the issue as ‘dead’ and there will ‘have to be a discussion and the presentation of something new’. For people in the gallery there ‘will be more discussion in the future’ on ‘how is this going to be the best thing for Glen Eira’ and how ‘to meet the needs and expectations of residents’. He expects the applicant will now ‘have a chat’ with the community and officers. Suggested that ‘you maintain an eye out’ and ‘stay aware’ of any developments and ‘be part of the conversation’. It’s the ‘applicant’s land’ but ‘your city’ and the job of council is to ‘mediate’ between the two to achieve the best outcome. Said there are gaps in the planning scheme and that’s made him ‘uncomfortable’.
ESAKOFF: said that this has a ‘long history’ and she remembers her childhood when it was W.D & H. Wills. Glad that there has been such a great response from the community because it’s been a ‘terrific exercise in community consultation’. The amendment ‘doesn’t meet council’s strategic planning’ or council’s ‘sustainable transport’ strategy that seeks higher density in transport hubs. This isn’t one of those transport hubs. Admitted that council ‘tried hard’ to get the bus to go down East Boundary for GESAC but ‘to no avail’ and if council ‘can’t get it’ she didn’t know how the developer could.
OKOTEL: thanked both applicant and residents for the ‘amount’ of ‘information that was provided’ because ‘this was critical in our decision making’ and ‘helped us raise questions with the officers’ . Agreed with others and mainly about the impact of ‘density’ and what this means for residents in the area in terms of ‘traffic and infrastructure’. Even though she wasn’t a councillor when C75 came in, she thought this was a ‘better fit for the area’ than leaving it as ‘industrial’. However, ‘changing the zoning would lead to over-development’ and therefore can’t see ‘any reason why’ the amendment should go to a panel.
MAGEE: said that in his 7 years on council ‘nothing has scared me more’ than this. He lives in East Bentleigh and the weight of the decision meant many ‘sleepless nights’. Accepted that the ‘developer’ is trying to ‘maximise the return on his investment’ but the ‘cost is our community’. East Bentleigh was the most liveable city but not if this goes through. ‘Something will be built on this site’ but if it’s about ‘land’ then every inch is important in Glen Eira. Said that council has to ‘maximise’ open space ‘where we can’ but ‘more importantly we have to maximise the amenity’. We know that there will be ‘change’ because there are 1000 residents each year who ‘want to come and live with us’. SAid the developer has to think whether it’s all about ‘maximising’ profit or also giving residents ‘something that benefits them’. Amendment C75 is not ‘in place’ and thought that ‘we will be back here in 18 months time’. Ultimately ‘it’s about maximising the best use of the land’ and he doesn’t ‘want this change’.
MOTION PUT AND PASSED UNANIMOUSLY (APPLAUSE FROM GALLERY)
July 21, 2015 at 11:32 PM
Election bug is contagious.
July 22, 2015 at 9:50 AM
Dead right Macca, just look at Hyam crawling to his voters, watch him do a 180 u-turn later up the track, when the devloper offers a crumb of reconciliation. And then watch the crumb vanish and Hyam go silient, he does this all the time
July 22, 2015 at 10:02 AM
Congratulations to all those who organised resident opposition to the proposals. I’d like to be as sure of winning tatts as I am that this would have got through if it hadn’t been for all the publicity and the hue and cry from thousands of residents. Councillors wouldn’t have expected this and neither would the developer. This makes some of the claims put up by councillors offensive in my eyes. Esakoff says that this has been a “terrific exercise in community consultation”. Total rubbish. Council did not lift a finger to truly inform and explain what was proposed. All they did was fulfil the legal aspects and nothing more. It was residents who initiated the “consultation” and went about informing themselves of the potential effects if this got up.
Okotel’s position worries me even more. Thanking residents and objectors for the “information” and how “critical” this was in the decision making is an unbelievable admission of how little information officers gave councillors. Even Hyams mentions a “peer review” that was instrumental in making up his mind. That came from the traders who talked about this at the planning conference. It shouldn’t have been up to residents to get councillors to ask questions of officers and it shouldn’t be up to residents to hand feed councillors with the necessary information. That is the job of the administration.
Macca is probably 100 per cent correct. Elections are around the corner and with thousands of people on their backs the best politics is to wait for a while and then have Gillon come back with more of the same. If it’s after the election and these same no hopers are still serving as councillors then I would wager that the amendment gets up.
July 22, 2015 at 10:50 AM
Congrats to all those involved in this U-Turn by Councillors – you definitely made a difference in a very short time and have learnt a lot. The learning being related to just what the developer is prepared to do (yeah sure he is going to withdraw the amendment – even called a meeting of a select few to announce it) and about our duplicitous Councillors.and the Administration.
Bask in the glory, you certainly deserve it and have a break = this has obviously consumed a lot of your time. But do not bask too long.
The developer has a huge chunk of land that is worth gazillions and he wants a big chunk of that pie. The Administration is clearly bending over backwards to give the developer what he wants – right down to downplaying the significance of the amendment and failing to provide a objective analysis of the proposed amendment. These two have the bucks to spend and are working full time with professionals to get what they want while you are not only paying for the Council bozo’s but also have few dollars and limited time. The next proposition will be a doozy.
You cant rely on Councillors, the arguments they presented last night were sound bites ie. sounded reasonable but they were not based on reality and showed deficient knowledge of planning – but will invariably be recycled during the Oct/Nov. Council election.
July 22, 2015 at 11:34 AM
Okotel is a complete and utter waste of time and space. Almost 3 quarters through her term and she still doesn’t understand anything about being a Councillor (admittedly she is not alone in this).
In other words, what she said was that without the huge outcry she and others would have done little other than get out the rubber stamp. No outcry = no thought.
That just leaves us with the question of what constitutes a outcry big enough to get her (and others) to do the job.
July 22, 2015 at 11:48 AM
“criticising an umpire before the decision is made”
This is Pilling at his best, All from the man who ran as a Green to get elected, was thrown out of the Greens Party in disgrace for his hard line on residents and development and continually voting with the Liberal Party. What a joke, we all know you will in the end, vote the way your Liberal Party mates tell you to …. Yes sir, yes sir, three bags full, sir, is Pilling’s motto
July 22, 2015 at 12:35 PM
Hyams and Lipshutz are unbelievable. If there’s anyone that I wouldn’t trust it would be them two. Hyams must have amnesia too. He didn’t have any worries with development plans for the Caulfield Village telling everyone again and again that such things were only the first step in a process and residents would still get the chance to have their say. Now he’s got major worries with development plans. He also reckons that there’s uncertainty here. Well there sure was uncertainty with the village and it got through no problems. 1250 is too much for what is there now but he voted for the panel back in 2010/11 to turn the biggest part into commercial and letting them have dwellings. Lipshutz is even worse. They are both arrogant and will say whatever they need to say once they’ve seen which way the wind is blowing. With thousands of people up in arms its good politics to knock this back today and then get it in the back door a few months down the track when most people will have gotten on with their lives again. I promise that I and my friends won’t forget.
July 23, 2015 at 9:28 AM
Comparing Caulfield Village to Virginia Park is quite silly. Caulfield has one of the biggest railway hubs in the State. It has a very large university. It has trams an buses going in every direction. The Amendment was set up by the State Government as a special case. There is no comparison. It appears to have gotten out of hand probably because of the comfortable relationship between the MRC and the town hall, (not the councillors)
July 23, 2015 at 10:23 AM
No its not silly and Hyams Lipshutz Esakoff and Pilling were up to their necks in it. They made the decisions with Newton in the background. Big deal if there is a train station. When the mrc finishes and Monash finishes there will be over 4000 new dwellings and how many cars to invade the side streets and that doesn’t even take into account the lack of opn space and the pathetic amount of money that council is getting. The way this was done is gutter tactics and Virginia park is just the same. What is different is that people now know not to believe a word from any councillor and the officers. Its a rotten business and a rotten council.
July 24, 2015 at 6:51 AM
You overlook the fact that the Minister for Planning identified the Caulfield Village project as being important to the State. You are blinded by prejudice. Public transport is critical in a population hub. Whether the Glen Eira Council makes money out of the deal is another issue. Caulfield is most suitable for a big injection of people as are areas of Prahran. You demonstrate the same prejudice that you accuse some councillors of.
July 22, 2015 at 1:23 PM
Hyams has to be joking – the Mayor at the time the zones were implemented and a key figure is the negotiations with Mathew Guy (who probably, quite correctly, thinks the man is a complete d*ck but of some use to Guy) has only just be told that the schedules are not mandatory (only the zone content is). Earth to Jame take you head out of your you know what.
Then he takes time to repeat his utterly unfounded mantra that zones didn’t cause the massive spike in development, followed by a swipe at the residents who argued against Glen Eira’s low 5.7% open space levy – jeez and the judgement on that stated that the residents had chosen a different methodology than Council and that both were justifiable. A needless swipe that really re-inforces the residents objectors contention Council has calculated a rate too low – both calculations were justifiable and Council chose the one which yielded a lower value.
July 22, 2015 at 1:42 PM
I’m pleased with the result and also want to add my thankyous to all those residents who did the work on alerting the community. They did a fantastic job as did this site. Thinking about what’s happened I still have a gut feeling that this is far from over. Mulling over what has happened there is a lot left unexplained. In an earlier post up here, when council decided to ask permission to advertise the amendment, most councillors expressed some real worries about what the impacts would be. Magee lead the assault and was supported by Lobo. A lot ended up in Lipshutz, Hyams and Esakoff supporting the Libs and Delahunty having a go at them. That is all beside the point though. Most of the debate looks like it emphasised that this is the process (Pilling in particular and Delahunty too). But, and this is a huge but, if they already knew that retailers and residents would be worse off, it shouldn’t even have been advertised. It should have been sunk right then and there back in March.
Process is okay if it is followed through on everything. The destruction of Frogmore on the votes of Lipshutz, Hyams and Pilling, didn’t carry through on process and there was no community consultation which was the aim. There have also been other amendments that didn’t make it to even being advertised. That should have happened here. I’m in full agreement that the intention from administrators and most councillors was to get this amendment passed and to let Gillon do what he wants in exactly the same way that the mrc got their way. What surprised them and what they hadn’t figured on or were prepared for was the public outcry and the knowledge that council elections aren’t too long off. Delaying what will happen works to their election aspirations. That to me is the truth of the matter.
July 22, 2015 at 2:25 PM
spot on. Aint over by a long shot.
July 22, 2015 at 5:55 PM
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/inner-south/glen-eira-councillors-reject-proposal-to-rezone-virginia-park-estate-as-commercial-1-zone/story-fngnvli9-1227452365389
July 22, 2015 at 7:00 PM
Hooray for people power
July 22, 2015 at 7:41 PM
“7 years on council ‘nothing has scared me more’ than this”
So nothing scares Maggo more than a development in his own backyard, when it’s in other people backyards he couldn’t give a rats
Oooh, Mr. Magoo you’ve done it again
July 22, 2015 at 8:06 PM
We remind readers that in August 2014 Magee stated that he did not ‘care’ whether the entire precinct became commercial via an amendment as long as there was community input.
July 25, 2015 at 9:33 AM
How did Magoo get into Mayor’s office? Empty vessel too much noise.
July 22, 2015 at 10:51 PM
Okotel allegedly said that rezoning would lead to overdevelopment. Every amendment council gets through leads to overdevelopment. A friend lives off Glen Huntly Road where recent rezoning to mixed use has ended up getting a permit for well over 150 dwellings. If this isn’t overdevelopment then I do not know what is. My advice to everyone is whenever there is a rezoning put up then scrutinise it carefully and object. Rezoning is the gateway to developer riches and over development and tough luck for neighbouring residents.
July 23, 2015 at 7:00 AM
Pilling should resign now. Yes he shared the planning conference but what he didn’t say is
. that he did so ineptly, he was shouted down for trying to cut residents short (particularly on who was presenting a strong and cogent argument against the rezoning) and
. then cut the conference short and by doing so denied the residents an opportunity to question the developer.
Coming hot on the heels of his appallingly use of the casting vote not to protect Frogmore and ignore significant community input (1600 residents was Frogmore protected, 2 didn’t) I find his comments on welcoming community input an absolute affront.
July 24, 2015 at 12:40 PM
Pilling a Councillor, BS! If he decides to stand for next Council elections he will see the wrath from public. Did Pilling not stand for a seat somewhere during federal elections? It will be interesting to see if he stands again for federal elections next year. Greens have always been a gone case party.
July 23, 2015 at 8:42 AM
Ain’t it strange as the 2016 election approaches, all Councillors are commenting on how they have welcomed community participation.
There’s no doubt that Council will attribute the strength of the community outcry on the two most recent issues, ie. Frogmore (initially heard then later ignored) and Virginia Estate (initially heard with the end result yet to come), will be attributed to Council living up to its claims of “encouraging community participation in the decision making process”.
Of course this is just another example of Councillors believing in the Administration’s spin rather than listening to residents. The community outcry is indeed due to Council’s actions – that action being the silent imposition of the planning zones (the “biggest planning change in the history of Glen Eira” – then Mayor Hyams) which lacked any objective analytical information and was without any community input (either before or after).
2 years on from that imposition the impact of the zones has become apparent and more is to come – even the so called protected NRZers are questioning their supposed “protection”. Residents are reeling while Council has decided to do nothing other than to stick its head in a bucket of sand and deny what is obvious (slamming those that say otherwise is the best they can do) – ergo a backlash is occurring and growing.
While Council continues along its merry path of providing insufficient and inadequate information to residents, residents have decided they have had enough and if Council won’t change they will. Hence residents are learning about planning and governance, scrutinising Council’s actions and arguments and, having decided that they don’t like what they see, are presenting alternate views – compliments of social media, these views are resonating across the community. The Virginia Park Planning Conference criticisms of insufficient and inadequate information being provided to residents were not only loud and strong, they were also a first for Glen Eira.
When aspiring Councillors and those seeking re-election come knocking at my door late next year, my questions and assessments will be far more critical than they were last time round.
July 23, 2015 at 8:41 PM
Given his performance since his initial 2005 election to Council and more particularly on the recent instance of Frogmore House, I find it incredibly distasteful that Lipshutz makes an allegations of conspiracy and claims of lack of trust.
Time and again the man has shown he continually involves himself in back room dealings and continually votes for vested interests to the detriment of residents.
Just remember his comments now and compare them to the comments he will make on round two of the Virginia Park Estate – it’s guaranteed residents will be left wondering if he had a lobotomy in the interim.