Another great turnout by residents of approximately 100 people. Again butcher paper, facilitator and Aiden Mullen presenting the background, current status and promised future work. There was however about an hour of questions that interrupted Mullin’s presentation. We note once again that the magic words of 12 storey high potential developments were eventually admitted through gritted teeth!
Councillors in attendance: Delahunty, Silver, Sztrajt and Athanasopoulos
Here are a mere sample of the questions asked by residents and the ‘answers’
RESIDENT #1 – One resident asked for hands up from residents, developers, and state government agencies. The vast majority were residents
RESIDENT #2 – When Mullin put up the slide of the Vision for Elsternwick, which still included the word ‘village’, this resident interrupted and stated ‘I am quite frankly struggling to relate that vision plan to the concept plan’. Said that all council’s thinking and what’s presented in the concept plans ‘doesn’t seem’ to endorse the vision statement. Mullin answered that it’s about ‘maintaining that strong cultural and heritage feel’. Mullin then went on with the rest of the presentation – ie spoke about bike connections, and an ‘integrated rail precinct’ and parking ‘opporunities, particularly along Orrong Road’. Said that the ‘fundamental change’ would be ‘creating a new cultural precinct’ near the cinema and ABC studios. Plus the library ‘could be relocated’ to this new precinct. Also said that ‘council’s carparks could have a role in providing more office’ space and employment opportunities (aka flogging off council land to developers is our take on this).
RESIDENT 3 – another resident interrupted and wanted Mullin to explain what ‘community benefit’ means. Mullin responded by saying that Glen Eira is a ‘diverse community’ but developers only build one sort of dwelling – ie 1 or 2 bedroom or double storey attached in the NRZ. ‘The market’ doesn’t do ‘affordable housing, aged care’ and student accommodation and ‘medium density family type housing’. Said that on ‘counciul owned land we can have a lot more control on that’. Resident then wanted to know whether this land would be ‘given to the developer and they produce it’? Mullin responded that there’s a ‘whole range’ of ways this could be done. Resident then persisted with ‘selling council land’ and Mullin answered ‘that is one option’ but that nothing has been decided as yet. The objective is to ‘get something in’ that ‘meets community needs that isn’t being met at the moment’.
RESIDENT 4 – When Mullin outlined that the car park had an 11 storey permit next to it, another resident stated that ‘an 11 storey building doesn’t set a precedent for what is right in terms of development’. Went on to say that ‘someone who wrote these plans missed the church’ and a scout hall both ‘historic buildings’ but the plans have building heights of 8 storeys so ‘what is going to happen to that church’? Wanted Mullin to ‘please explain to me, how does that work out’? Mullin then said ‘I’m trying to get through the presentation and the resident repeated that he would like an answer. When Mullin again said that he wanted to continue with his presentation the resident stated that the evening was about residents asking questions and getting answers from those people who put the plans together. Mullin said that his aim was to ‘take you through to how we got to’ this stage and get your feedback. It’s up to residents to then decide if they ‘agree’. Mullin went on to say that people didn’t want apartment buildings in residential streets and council ‘really’ wanted to protect heritage and the neighbourhood character overlays and these are currently zoned for 4 storeys. Stated that a vcat decision for 8 storeys was given recently in a heritage overlay and vcat is saying that if you ‘lock everything down it has to go elsewhere’. Council was trying to ‘get a better mix’ in housing and in the commercial areas a better mix of employment opportunities like ‘office’.
RESIDENT 5 – said there was no single storeys being built and there was a strong need for this. Wanted to know why this wasn’t in the plans. Mullen said this is because people are trying to ‘protect back yards’ and that with council’s plans for the townhouses they are trying to ensure that ‘living is on groundfloor’.
Mullen went on to say that ‘you can’t lock down everything’ because if ‘won’t get approved by the Minister’. So council is protecting heritage but saying that along the railway line and Nepean Highway this can ‘accommodate’ ‘taller buildings’ which will have an ‘office’ and ‘allow for employment’. This area would be 6-8 storeys but if there was ‘community benefit’ this could be ‘additional car parking’, ’employment’, ‘diverse housing’. The strategic sites ‘can accommodate height behind the shops’.
RESIDENT 6: said that ‘our little court’ disappears from the concept plans but council has ‘rezoned that area’ to ‘be 6 storeys’. Wanted to know why previously it was 4 storeys and now capable of a potential 6 storeys. Repeated that ‘this is in a court and we’re not on Glen Huntly Road’. Mullin answered that he would be ‘happy to discuss’ the matter with the resident afterwards.
CONCLUSIONS?
Once again residents are presented with spin and more spin and no detail, no strategic justifications for anything, and no honest to goodness data. We remind readers that at the Bentleigh forum when asked how many properties were being rezoned to accommodate higher development, Mullen stated that the data would be provided. It is yet to make an appearance!!!!!
Nor have we had a single word to justify why 12 storeys is fair and reasonable. Why not 6 storeys, or 7 storeys, etc. On what basis is the figure of 12 storeys plucked from the air?
There is much, much more that could be said. We will simply reiterate our conviction that decisions are already set in concrete and that these forums have been nothing more than a public relations exercise designed to meet state recommendations for ‘community consultation’ when doing structure planning.
August 21, 2017 at 9:57 PM
Mullen’s struggling.
August 21, 2017 at 10:09 PM
Sounds like more cheesed off residents. No one in their right mind except developers want 12 storeys anywhere in Glen Eira and no one wants to see public land sold off at bargain prices to developers. Here’s my advice to Mullen. Stop talking in cliches and start answering the questions that people are asking.
August 21, 2017 at 10:59 PM
Mullen doing what he payed to do, give the developers everything they want, residents can go jump off the 12 stories buildings after they are built.
The systems as crooked as the fire rating certification stickers on the cheap Chinese cladding, which no doubt will end up on these 12 story building.
It’s alway nice to know who ready and willing to bring the potential of fire and death to your neighbourhood, all for a profit which of course makes it OK.
August 21, 2017 at 11:17 PM
You must have been at a different meeting . Aiden Mullen received impromptu applause at the end of the meeting. Everyone at the meeting was satisfied that Elsternwick needs protection from Developers and a Structure Plan is an essential tool to meet this end. . It was great to see many Traders at the meeting, and former Mayors Jack Campbell and Noel Erlich and former Councillors Sandy Anderson and Frank Penhalurack also attending. Council should be congratulated on it’s belated effort.
August 22, 2017 at 8:35 AM
Thank You Mary
August 22, 2017 at 9:15 AM
Don’t know what meeting you were at. Report is accurate and some not very happy folks attended.
August 22, 2017 at 5:47 PM
I must have attended a separate forum from last night!
I heard an agenda from Council to sell off our public land to finance their
desired projects. Residents do want accurate & transparent information. We want to be heard. To be heard, hard questions need to be answered. We have one go in creating a structure plan. We need to get it right!
August 22, 2017 at 4:19 AM
Not happy Jan!
Draft concept plan is sketchy & higgledy piggledy. When presenting a plan
that changes the fabric & essence of Elsternwick make sure there
is detailed, clear & transparent information. There certainly was little of that at the forum.
Why flog off public land to finance a Community Hub? Retain the location
of the existing library & kindergarten with modifications. Creating a new centralised multi deck car park in Stanley Street is also of concern.
August 22, 2017 at 4:37 PM
I agree with you particularly since no costings for anything have been published. Nice to write about a community hub but how much will it cost to build and outfit and how much to demolish the old library and move all the books and technology and how much would they get for the land and if this will be enough to cover costs. On top of all this is how long will it all take? Are we talking 4 years, 5 years, 10 years until everything is done? I don’t see the point in committing yourself to something unless you know pretty much the bottom line and how much ratepayers are going to have to pay. Then I’d ask them if they want to spend the money on this kind of thing. This goes back to your point about detailed, clear and transparent information. None of that has been given out.
August 22, 2017 at 4:51 PM
History is development first then nothing else after that.
August 22, 2017 at 8:19 AM
Same old, same old. Sticking to the format and presentation is more important than answering residents questions. Mullen either doesn’t know the answer or knows but has been told to dumb it down to keep residents in the dark. I have been to all the briefings so far and still no answers. Just bulldoze on. When will GE council listen to residents. They are very well informed and can see the pitfalls because they live there. Once again residents have reiterated not more than 4 storeys is acceptable.
August 22, 2017 at 6:29 PM
AGREE! Answering questions & clarifying details of the concept plan is what is of interest to the residents/traders. Forget about sticking to a format…not important!
August 22, 2017 at 9:35 AM
Mullen didn’t answer resident number 6 on why her property and those around her are now up for 6 stories. The audience deserved to know the reasons on this change.
August 22, 2017 at 10:08 AM
Twelve storeys of offices is only possible in the city and for huge companies or banks. I don’t see anyone transferring to Glen Eira even if the rent is cheaper. The desire for twelve storeys is there for residential and nothing else. I would also like to know how many student accommodation places we need and if they’ve factored in Monash’s plans to build about 1000 such rooms. In all likelihood we will end up with thousands of these tiny apartments that will stand empty.
August 22, 2017 at 10:12 AM
If you think that the Minister will accept a Structure Plan for a Major Activity Centre and the surrounds, which is purely low rise and makes no changes then you are dreaming and we will have ad hock development which will completely ruin Elsternwick. As we have now. There must be winners and losers. The reason there was sketchy plans was simply explained that we are not at the end of the process and before detailed plans are produced the Council wants to consult it’s community. Council is criticised for consultation. I thought you criticised for lack of consultation. The residents who appeared to be angry at the outset of the meeting were shut up by those who wanted to take part in the consultative process and others changed their tone when they realised Council was on their side.
August 22, 2017 at 1:43 PM
Ya dreamin this mob has never been on the side of residents
August 22, 2017 at 2:38 PM
yeah a bunch of traitors mostly
August 22, 2017 at 9:59 PM
Are you kidding!! Council is not on the side of residents. They are not transparent and questions needed to be asked in order to comprehend the details or lack of, in the concept plan stage. We have one go to get it right before a structure plan is formulated.
August 22, 2017 at 8:32 PM
Off topic but on Caulfield Racecourse – http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/new-body-to-oversee-caulfield-racecourse/
August 22, 2017 at 11:48 PM
It was rumoured this new management body was to be remunerated.
How much the sum will be or if this committee will have any Glen Eira reps within it’s structure is anyone’s guess.
If the new body is to have a mandated Glen Eira community reps or a rep to supposedly represent Glen Eira’s interests. Will this work or is it just repeating the same old mistake. On past efforts I feel we definitely do not want any sitting councillor/s to hold this or these positions.
The incompetence of councillor trustees in the past was staggering beyond belief, some even claiming they couldn’t talk about what went on at Trustee meetings in the council chamber because it conflicted with them being a Trustee, even though their position on the trust was to represent Glen Eira.
This type of shenanigans and farcical behaviors is one of the reasons the Trustees where sack in the first place. Our past councillor Trustees must take their share of the blame for the Trust’s dysfunctional and at times corrupt behaviors.
I truly hope the Andrews Government gets this model right, otherwise it could be another 150 years worth of corruption, nepotism, rorting, and silence in council chamber as to what really goes on inside the racecourse management structure.
August 23, 2017 at 1:05 PM
according to the leader the MRC are looking forward to seeing the legislation!