Our apologies for this incredibly long post, but its importance we believe justifies the length since it goes to the heart of what constitutes full transparency and accountability and council’s unwillingness to be completely up front with its residents.
In keeping with its recent practice of refusing to publish the full feedback on its consultations, council has released its ‘summary’ on the draft Elsternwick Structure Plan. In the report we find little that would convince us that the presented analyses reveals an accurate and complete picture of what respondents wrote. So why is council insisting on mere ‘summaries’ rather than publishing the full data as it has done on numerous previous occasions. Why is council fighting tooth and nail to refuse FOI access on its bogus claims that requested documents are ‘voluminous’ and meeting the application would entail a severe imposition on council resources? The refusal to allow residents to come to their own conclusions as to the feedback can only lead to the perception that there is much to hide.
The summary report listed in the current agenda consists of 25 pages. Within these pages we find the following frequency of terminology used to report on the outcomes. Words such as ‘several’, ‘many’ and ‘some’ in relation to respondent answers are used without any clear indication of what was actually stated or the nuances and variations between respondent comments. The frequency in relation to respondent comments is:
Several – used 8 times
Many – used 21 times
Some – used 18 times
Another telling example of the inadequacy of the report comes from page 4 –
Many respondents supported protection of the centre’s heritage and were often concerned that increased built form would deteriorate the centre’s heritage value and village feel. Some participants considered the general lowering of permitted building heights to be the appropriate response.
What is the numerical difference between ‘many’ and ‘some’? Does the differentiation between the ‘many’ and ‘some’ indicate that the ‘many’ were not supportive of a decrease in height limits or that this was simply not mentioned? Did any of the responses really affirm or agree that Elsternwick has a ‘village feel’ or is this simply terminology assigned by the authors of the report? And how should ‘increased built form’ be interpreted anyway? Does it refer to the paltry set backs? The heights? Their discretionary nature instead of mandatory, or their overshadowing potential? Ultimately such statements are meaningless and certainly open to a multitude of interpretations. Without access to the actual comments, there is no way of telling and according credibility and value to the summary report.
We also have to take issue with the manner that the so called topics are presented and their accompanying tables purporting to reveal the ensuing ‘themes’. The survey questions focused on topics predetermined by council such as: vision and objectives; heritage; traffic; etc. Accompanying each topic, respondents had the choice of downloading what one can only assume to be information that would provide greater understanding of the topic. We repeat some of the comments we made in an earlier post (See: https://gleneira.blog/2022/11/04/elsternwick-another-shonky-consultation/) –
- The draft structure plan proposes to allow up to 6 storeys for heritage listed sites along Glen Huntly Road. Not once is this mentioned throughout the document that is supposed to provide respondents with information on this important aspect of the structure plan.
- Jargon predominates. What on earth does ‘rich materiality’ mean and how would respondents interpret this?
- Why aren’t we told that the heritage listed church is likely to be surrounded by 12 storey towers? And yet, given the above, we are still meant to believe that council takes great care to ensure the heritage fabric of Elsternwick is protected
As for the accompanying table on the vision and objective question we find this:

The above table reveals absolutely nothing about the views for or against – ie how many were opposed to the proposed building heights and how many were arguing for increased building heights or perhaps that the proposed heights were appropriate? Simply providing the number of times something was mentioned does nothing to convey what the community thought and how this was expressed in the feedback.
The value of any survey is 100% dependent on the quality of the questions asked. Are the questions open-ended and objective, or written with a specific end in mind? Are they free of ambiguity? Are they mere motherhood statements that would be hard to disagree with? Are respondents provided with enough specific detail to respond meaningfully, or do they have to plough through hundreds upon hundreds of pages in order to glean what is really proposed? How many respondents have actually bothered to do this if details are buried and does this potential lack of knowledge invalidate their answers? Council’s approach has always been to proffer questions that are nothing more than feel good statements, or rhetorical flourishes that no-one would or could disagree with. For example: the significance of heritage and the need for protection. Yes, residents would agree with the importance of protecting heritage, but does this then lead to the ‘support’ of what is proposed – especially when the mechanisms for achieving this aim are so vague and ill defined.
How many of these surveys are road tested prior to being inflicted on the community? Were there focus groups prior? Were their responses analysed? Did councillors have any say in the creation of these questions? What about the Community Consultation Committee? And who actually drafted the questions?
And how well has council advertised its surveys and their significance and ramifications? What follow up has council undertaken to analyse what could be considered as poor response rates? Did council really attempt to engender a huge response or the reverse – ie downplay the significance of the consultation? For the Elsternwick Structure Plan we are told that there were articles in the Glen Eira News informing residents of the consultation. The claim is that information was present in the November and December editions. The first screen dump is what appeared in the November issue followed by the December insert that came in on page 9.


The above calls for participation leave a lot to be desired. Instead of ‘facts’ such as: proposed heights; rezoning of some properties; onsite car parking reductions and of course open space/environmental proposals, there is nothing in this first article that would provide residents with a clear vision of what the proposals entail. Nor does the December version elaborate on anything further. And is it sheer coincidence that the inserted photograph only features 2 storeys along Glen Huntly Road, instead of the monsters that are already in existence? Jargon, generalities, and platitudes epitomise the article instead of the transmission of real information. And when will council refrain from such nonsense as calling Elsternwick a ‘village’ when we already have 13 storey buildings going up!!!!
There are countless errors (falsehoods/deceptions?) in much of what council has presented in the accompanying ‘information’ sheets. For example the following image from the Buildings document showing the montage of what a 5 storey height might look like. Even if we accept the accuracy of this image (which we believe is highly suspect) it does not explain why council chose NOT TO DEPICT the opposite side of the street that has a 6 storey discretionary height limit as well as the neighbouring properties further up along this side of Glen Huntly Road that are also under heritage overlays.

Despite all this, council has been forced to reveal that on a ratio of close to 2:1 residents were opposed to most of what the draft structure plan envisioned. What happens now should be of utmost concern to all residents, especially in Elsternwick and Bentleigh. Will councillors insist that this draft goes back to the drawing board? Or will we merely have a minor tinkering around the edges and it is voted through? When something is so strongly opposed then the only solution should be that councillors listen and act in accordance with community sentiment!
April 8, 2023 at 2:59 PM
Well done GlenEiraDebates for your hard work in dissecting the Council survey report. Your clear explanation showed how Council has hidden in plain sight the actual result of the survey.
April 9, 2023 at 8:44 AM
Including just a few comments that people make doesn’t equal good transparency. If we’re getting 91 comments on a theme as the table tells us then only quoting 4 or 5 is a joke. Fair enough some might be repetitious but let me decide what to make of this. I want to know what people thought and not how many times something was mentioned.
April 9, 2023 at 11:28 AM
There’s so much to unpack. Who or what is Council? In the context of property development planning its apparently not the councillors as a group. Unless a community consultation is claimed to be representative of the whole community, numbers of responses are meaningless. What SHOULD happen is that Council takes into account all issues raised. They don’t, but they should. When Council was asked what fairness means to them, they essentially admitted they didn’t know. So much for the objectives of planning in Victoria.
I take amenity standards seriously, much more seriously than Council does. They have a different agenda–they’re seeking to maximise developer profit. We’ve seen that in multiple decisions where they don’t care about overshadowing of communal open space or habitable room windows. In fact some councillors have indicated they don’t care about compliance with even the pathetically weak apartment development standards.
Rather than ask residents what should be permitted adjacent to other people, those residents should be asked what they would tolerate next to themselves. That’s democracy.
April 11, 2023 at 9:24 AM
I would agree wholeheartedly with your views, especially the last paragraph. Existing residents are nothing more than sacrificial lambs to the construction industry and developer profits. When people have been living in an area for decades to be suddenly told that because you’re in an activity centre you don’t deserve the same rights as someone 100 metres away is criminal. These residents then have to put up with no real sunlight, balconies peering into their back yards, struggling to get out of their driveways because of lack of parking in the streets.
April 11, 2023 at 11:17 AM
Glen Huntly road in Elsternwick has become a smelly, polluted, noisy, traffic gutter. How and what do the traffic engineers propose to do about this self created mess? Adding more and more trucks seems to be a reasonable solution in their lazy uncultured minds. FAIL.
April 13, 2023 at 2:22 PM
It is a great vote of confidence in our suburb that more people want to call it home! We have strong heritage protection in place to maintain our Victorian façades and restrict the height and imposes a set-back for the additional storeys. This compromise allows the preservation of streetscape and directs taller structures further away such as the old ABC site and closer to the Nepean Hwy where these heights are more appropriate.
April 27, 2023 at 2:58 PM
Same old crap we always get.
Council continues to obfuscate and dodge the critical question of height limits. They just keep trying to allow for hi rise apartment blocks.
We know what this leads to, one look at the monstrosity on Glenhuntly Rd opposite Horne St gives you the vision Council has for Elsternwick. They want to destroy the place.
All the talk of affordable housing is simply rubbish, going back to the monstrosity at Glenhuntly and Horne St, the cheapest apartment is over $600,000 and the most expensive $3million.
The talk of social housing is also rubbish – simple question: how many apartments in that new block I mention above are social housing? None would be my guess.
They can call us NIMBYs if they like, but would they like a 12 storey tower block overlooking their back yard and slowly killing the garden that no longer gets any sun?
It is time the councillors pushed back on over-development. If they don’t one can only conclude they support it.