GE Council Meeting(s)


The community was out in force at tonight’s council meeting. About 60 people stood outside the town hall entrance in Glen Eira Rd. holding placards and chanting ‘No school in Regent St.’ They then continued the chanting up the stairs into the chambers, where the chant continued unabated until all councillors were seated. Plenty of other residents opposing the Murrumbeena Rd and the Malane St. developments were also present. Well over 100 (angry) people crammed into the meeting – including Helen Whiteside who sat in the front row of the gallery.

Item 9.1 – Murrumbeena Rd. Application – Pilling/Lipshutz

Pilling basically went through the officer’s report. Lipshutz stated ‘that there is nothing wrong with developers making profit’…but this development was ‘big and ugly’. Residents should note that this area is ‘ripe for development…and will be developed’ – it’s just that this proposal is ‘too large, too ugly’. Magee supported motion to reject saying that this ‘ambit claim’ is ‘too outrageous’…’how could you possibly live next to it?’. Interestingly Magee kept mentioning that ‘THIS COUNCIL’ didn’t just ‘tinker’ but came ‘out with a direct refusal’. Seems that Magee is confusing Officers’ recommendations with Council’s decision making!!!!! (Carried unanimously)

Item 9.2 – Hill St. – Hyams/Lobo.

Hyams stated that this application ‘is not acceptable in any way really’ Lobo talked about ‘bulk and mass’ and that it was ‘uncharacteristic’ of the street. Lipshutz  – ‘this council is not against development….put your plans in and make them appropriate and they’ll go through’ Magee – ‘it would be absolutely horrible to live anywhere near the thing’. (Unaminous decision)

Item 9.3 – Malane St. – Hyams/Forge – Instead of 8 double storey units, 6 double storey units.

Hyams began that in contrast to the Hill St. Application, this one is ‘generally acceptable’. At this point the gallery called out ‘bullshit’ and ‘that’s corruption’. Hyams responded with ‘I will not put up with allegations of corruption…” Esakoff stated: ‘I won’t put up with those sorts of threats coming from the gallery.One more chance’ or you will be removed from the gallery. Hyams continued with the party line  – ie ‘VCAT will be a lot more lenient’ Councillors were there to ‘apply the planning law, that’s what we’re required to do’ and judge each ‘application on its merits’. He reiterated that ‘our job here is to apply planning law’. Forge spoke about the increase in population in Glen Eira and the impact of developments. She also spoke about traffic conditions, lack of open space and that ‘we have to look to the future’. Conclusion? She agreed with Hyams! Magee spoke against, claiming ‘it isn’t good enough’. Malane St is ‘surrounded by families’ and that these sorts of developments should be kept to Centre Rd, Glenhuntly Rd, ‘major roads’. Magee recounted how at the recent planning scheme review one old gentleman when asked how he envisages Bentleigh in ten years time, answered ‘as Bentleigh’. Pilling supported Hyams stating that ‘we have a reasonable planning scheme in place’ and that there needs to be a ‘good balance’. Lobo against motion stating that Malane St was to have about 50 apartments coming up soon and that it would become ‘Calcutta and Bombay’. With traffic, it was going ‘to be mayhem’. Lipshutz reminisced about his childhood in Balwyn and how that has been developed. He stated: ‘I deplore what’s happening in Bentleigh’, BUT ‘we stand here as a tribunal having to implement planning law’ ‘You can go to VCAT and you’ll get 8 storeys…let’s do the populace thing and everyone will think we’re fantastic councillors and then it goes to VCAT ….I don’t like it, but do I have a choice? The answer is ‘no’. ‘We are all doing our jobs’, ‘we have to do what is right’!!!! There were persistent interjections from the gallery all through Lipshutz’s ‘lecture’. Hyams summed up that their job was to be as a ‘neutral tribunal’ looking at planning law to get the ‘best result’. ‘ I could have made a rousing speech about preserving the neighbourhood’, but I thought it was more important to get the ‘best result’. If we knocked it back the developer would be off to VCAT, and VCAT ‘would have given you 8 units’. ‘Do you want us to do our job which is applying planning law or do you want us to be populace….I want you to think about that’. (Motion carried)

Thus the mantra that VCAT is to blame, continues on and on! Councillors, have you ever considered the possibility of looking in your own back yard and finding loopholes in your own planning law – that is the MSS?

We’ll report on the rest of the meeting in our next post.

Tuesday night’s agenda contains several interesting items. We have reports from the Pools Steering Committee and the Sport and Recreation Advisory Committee. In typical Glen Eira fashion both of these so called ‘minutes’ have assumed the mantle of ‘Records of Assembly’ – meaning that one line sentences are legally the official ‘minutes’ of these meetings. For example, all we get from the Pool Steering Committee is:

“Matters considered 

(i) Previous Minutes

Security over Shutdown Period 

(ii) GESAC Project Update Report”

 The recreation committee is a little more forthcoming with information but it still remains on the very, very scant side – ie.

“Public Questions – ground allocations

Discussion regarding public questions in relation to ground allocations and authorised and unauthorised usage. Discussions covered;

• enforcement of the Local Law,

• fencing/taping off the ovals to keep unauthorised groups off and protect the grounds,

• perceptions of conflict of interest,

• usefulness of the Local Law,

• Local Laws in other municipalities,

• distribution of the Frisbee Report,

• guidance provided to Officers in relation to the Frisbee report,

• outcomes of the Municipal Investigation in relation to matters concerning the Frisbee group, and

• whether the Local Laws needed to be changed.

Action: Officers continue to monitor the situation and the matter be considered at a future date”.

 Then of course, there are the planning applications. As per usual, those which are likely to be the most contentious have the least number of notifications, yet the highest number of objections. Council obviously works on the principle of inverse relationships! Here is a table which we’ve drawn up from the various items to illustrate our point.

121-123 Murrumbeena Rd 3 storey (32 units) 18 properties notified (28 notices) 51 objections
51 Hill St Double storey (8 units) 12 properties notified (22 notices) 20 objections
16 Malane St Double storey (8 units) 9 properties notified (13 notices) 60 objections

 There’s also a VCAT appeal where officers recommend acceptance of amended plans. The number of notifications is not listed, but there are 88 objections.

Finally a couple of interesting items from the in camera section – (1) again legal advice pertaining to the payment of ‘legal fees’, we presume, for councillors fronting the municipal inspector with their lawyers, and (2) under ‘personnel’ an item about contracts. Given that the only contract that council has control over is the CEO’s, then speculation should be rife about what’s going on here!

 

  •  Minutes of last meeting were accepted unanimously. Readers should recall that Penhalluriack had indicated his dissent from Esakoff’s ruling and requested that this be included in the minutes. The subsequent minutes failed to record any of this. Last night’s meeting in effect wiped history – without a murmur from anyone! There is now no official record of what actually happened. Any future investigation (since we presume audio tapes will be wiped as soon as possible) will only have these so called ‘official’ minutes to go on. So, what happened behind those closed doors? What pseudo-legal argument(s) did Newton, Burke and co. propose to stifle discussion and debate on this most important point? Why did Penhalluriack not mutter a word? What about Lobo? Magee? Pilling? Why this continual complicity of silence? At the very least, the community deserves some explanation as to why a councillor’s request has been ignored. 
  • Lobo commented that Co-ordinator of Godfrey house has resigned and that they’re ‘in trouble’; ‘council may need to look at this vertically’!???? 
  • Assembly of Councillors reports: Esakoff/Pilling to accept – not a word said by anyone. These ‘records’ were not included in the online version of the agenda! Error? Deliberate? Competence?
  1. Item 9.1 Station St. Development: (Hyams/Penhalluriack) –  resolution passed unanimously  – ‘up to 48 dwellings’. Hyams praised the application as an ‘interesting development’ and for being ‘innovative’ as well as ‘fitting in with planning guidelines’. The fact that it’s a 5 storey building ‘may be a bit high’(!) but because it’s part of Phoenix Precinct and c60 it fits in. 
  2. Item 9.3 Morgan St application: (Pilling/Esakoff) – Pilling had ‘some concerns’ conceding that ‘it is true that there are no side by side in the street’ but that there were other applications in waiting for this! Ultimately ‘it’s a reasonable application and I support it’. Esakoff also conceded that ‘side by side’ is ‘not popular in glen Eira’ but the alternative of one behind the other ‘causes the same angst’. Further with all the conditions imposed that this will ‘ameliorate the angst of the neighbours’. Penhalluriack stated he was in two minds over this since it does represent ‘huge bulk for the street’ and is ‘out of character’. Tang endorsed Pilling and stated that since there were already two storey developments in the street it would be hard to oppose this application. Vote – 8 to 1 Penhalluriack voted against motion. 
  3. Item 9.9 Packer Park (Esakoff/Forge): petanque gone; lemon trees gone; reorientate bowls area to a north/south aspect; ‘as a matter of urgency pursue’ links between state and federal government arrangements for kinda (ie -no kindas), and developments to be implemented (barbecues) when funding is available. Esakoff went into the 20 months history of this site; consultation ‘methodology’ was also elaborated upon; ‘from all of these methods 78 comments were received’ with (of course) the vast majority supporting the concept plan. “it should be noted that….80% were in support…20% suggested changes’. The gallery were then treated to an expose of the limited amount of open space available and the prediction by the VEAC paper that as density increases open space will decrease. Admitted that kindergartens were suggested but ‘considered unfeasible for a number of reasons, including town planning restraints’, ‘high cost of development’, and ‘compatability with adjoining areas’. Reported that council carried out a ‘quite extensive’ investigation in response to government Universal Access Policy (which as far as we know has never been made public!) and which looked for suitable kindergarten locations in Glen Eira. The report apparently proposed 7 appropriate locations and Packer Park was not one of them. Esakoff then went on to state that Packer park is actually in the McKinnon zone for kindergartens and that there is greater need in Murrumbeena. Carnegie is the ‘ideal site’! Esakoff did however note that if the kindergarten HAD BEEN AN OPTION THEN THE RESPONSES WOULD HAVE BEEN QUITE DIFFERENT!  ‘Kindergartens are important, they are emotive and they require long term solutions. But, it must be the right solutions and…not anything will do’. ‘at the end of the day …will be a valuable addition to Packer Park, for all residents, young and old… and should provide many, many hours of enjoyment..’

Forge: ‘I am happy to support everything that she (Esakoff) has put forward’

Magee: ‘$370,000 is a lot of money….at last count I think we still had 60 odd children’ for next year that didn’t have a place…$370,000 of ratepayers money to pull out a bowling green to put in a bowling green’. Magee basically stated that he would not be happy to do this until Glen Eira reached a situation where it had fixed up all its other needs. Carried 8 to 1 Magee voted against. 

  • Item 9.10 Booran reservoir (Penhalluriack/Forge)

Penhalluriack: ‘officers can go further….it’s very important that we analyse in more detail the cost…’. Penhalluriack basically argued for more research to be done before a decision could be made. Forge also stated that ‘we need to get to the nitty gritty’ before deciding. Lipshutz claimed that Penhalluraick’s motion was ‘non-specific’ and that it should contain more detail. Penhalluriack went on to state – ‘the officers had a motion to work to…(their report) I believe is rather superficial . Penhalluriack wanted to know – strength of walls; whether surface is clay, what weight can they hold? ‘I want to know…whether we can reclaim this reservoir tomorrow….’

Pilling was ‘happy with the report’ and asked ‘why take a step backwards’? In summing up Penahlluriack said ‘we need to know. There’s nothing worse than flying blind. We need to know..we need to know all the facts before we start…..’Penhalluriack’s motion was lost. FOR – Magee, Forge, Penhalluriack 

Item 9.8 Boyd park water (Pilling).

Penhalluriack spoke against the motion stating residents believe ‘they (council) are hopeless, but I’ve been defending council. But this one is the most ridiculous waste of money I’ve ever come across…This is $1.1 million dollars. Yes the government is giving half. So what? It is still money that can be spent’ elsewhere than this ‘extravagant, extroadinary waste of money’. He estimated that the final cost of the water would be 15.17 cents per litre. ‘Why should we be spending 16 cents per litre on this water….? “This is a nonsense….this is one of the worst money wasting schemes I’ve ever come across..’ No-one in their right mind would want to install this tank underground and pay 16 cents per litre. Magee agreed with Penhalluriack – it was still spending $500,000 council dollars. That’s money ‘that we could spend in our municipality servicing our ratepayers…’

Tang then stated that Penhalluriack ‘has gone further than he needed to’; that he didn’t have to talk about ‘the quality of the proposal’ and include ‘gratuitous references’ about it!!! ‘I think it is a good proposal’.

Lobo also saw it as a ‘big waste of money’ and wanted a ‘cost benefit analysis before we consider it further’. Forge also called for a more ‘accurate cost benefit analysis’ and the need to defer decision until more analysis was completed.

MOTION WAS CARRIED. PENHALLURIACK CALLED FOR A DIVISION 

This post is now long enough. We’ll conclude the report on public questions, delegations, etc. in the next few days.

Just a very brief rundown on tonight’s marathon council meeting. A more comprehensive version will follow tomorrow.

  1. Packer Park will have a bowling and bocce green to replace the old bowling green. Petanque is out! Kindergartens are out! Green open space is out – although a couple of barbecues (that council can charge for bookings) will be put in. Great consultation over this – offer option 1 (sell the bowling green); when this is defeated, use answers to this as basis for another concept (bocce, bowls,pentanqe) and again when people give you their views, just state that kindergartens are inappropriate there. The question that has NEVER been asked of residents is ‘WHAT DO YOU WANT’?
  2. Lobo gagged AGAIN. Seems like Oscar Lobo attempted to reveal something about an email written to him by Lipshutz in response to the former’s email to Esakoff. Hyams piped up that private emails are private and since councillors have right of reply only when the PUBLIC may draw some inference from comments/press/statements, Lobo couldn’t raise the issue. We strongly suspect that it has something to do with his earlier call of ‘racism’ that he has attempted on several occasions to put before council.
  3. Lipshutz was at his absolute arrogant best in a 5 minute tirade against Nick Varvodic and his public questions relating to Lipshutz and the Frisbee Group. All the old cliches and shibboleths were trotted out on cue – Mr. Varvodic should read Dale Carnegie’s How to Win Friends and Influence People; that Varvodic was guilty of narcism; that he was ignorant; that he was defamatory (ironic?) and that his questions were like asking someone if they had killed their wife!!!!! Gosh Cr. Lipshutz, we think that it’s about time you got some new lines. These are becoming a real drag – especially when you’ve used them time and time again (see council minutes relating to previous tirade against Mary Walsh).  Repetition is boring and displays a total lack of imagination!
  4. Penhalluriack, to his credit, objected to the tone of the answers.
  5. Arguably the most interesting decision of the night, was the unanimous passing of the Station St. planning application. Officers relied almost exclusively on the assumed acceptance of the c60 amendment in their argument. There’s no c60 as yet, but the application was passed!

The Agenda for Monday night’s Special Council Meeting is up on the website. Officers’ recommendations on the C60 are overwhelmingly in support of the panel’s recommendations. We’ve uploaded the agenda. Please read carefully and comment. Main recommendations are:

That Council:- 

1. Notes that the MRC has agreed to enter into a Section 173 agreement for the provision of infrastructure beyond the Amendment C60 land.

2. Enters into the Section 173 agreement with the MRC for the provision of infrastructure beyond the Amendment C60 land . (Refer Appendix 1). 

 

3. Enters into discussion with the MRC about the management of car parking and public open space use by the community in accordance with undertakings given by the MRC in their letter dated 9 September 2010. (Refer Appendix 2). 

4. Notes the recommendations of the Panel but adopts Amendment C60 in a changed form in accordance with the “Council position” detailed in Appendix 3.

5. Forward the adopted Amendment, as detailed in Appendix 4 , to the Minister for Planning for approval.
 
PS: We’ve now got both the hard copy and the web copy of the agendas for Tuesday night. On the item of Delegations under the Planning and Environment Act, the section on ‘Conditions and Limitatiions” are COVERED OVER. It is impossible to determine under what rules and regulations these delegations are being made. So much for transparency!!! Again, is this deliberate, since the Food Act, Road Act, Domestic Animals Act does not seem to be having the same problem? Councillors, is your copy decipherable, or are you also being hoodwinked? At the very least, this speaks volumes about the professionalism of this administratioin in that such a poor quality copy (and proof reading) should go out into the public domain. To cite Hinch – Shame! Shame! Shame! And of course, the CEO powers do not need to be reconsidered in any shape or form!!!!!!!

 

Item 9.15 of last week’s meeting contains council’s response to the Municipal Inspector’s recommendations. Many of the points made relate to ‘accuracy of minutes’. It is thus astounding that the minutes which were published on Friday contain two glaring errors –

  • There is no mention of Cr. Penhalluriack’s dissent. He unequivocally stated that he wished this to be recorded in the minutes
  • The failure to include part of a question to Cr. Lipshutz which asked him whether he was the author of the email

 The failure to include both of these events in the minutes is the result of either incompetence, or a deliberate attempt to keep the wider community ill informed of what happens at council meetings. Since these minutes thereby become the ‘public record’ held for posterity, it represents a complete rewriting of history and is nothing short of a major ‘cover up’ if allowed to stand.

If these omissions are the result of incompetence, then the individual responsible should be called to account. We find it difficult to accept this notion however, since we believe that prior to material being disseminated it would have been checked by fairly ‘high level’ individuals.

Once again, we can only conclude that the inspector’s report, and council’s response to these recommendations remain shallow words, rather than real commitment to openness and transparency. Finally, we also point out that council is spending further money to hire a so-called ‘independent note-taker’!!! We now have ratepayers funds being used for ‘note-taking’ and ‘retraining’. How much is this costing councillors?

Item 9.14 of council agenda was membership of the Caulfield Racecourse Precinct committee. This committee was set up in late 2009 and comprised 4 councillors. The recommendation was to appoint another councillor to replace Magee who resigned following his appointment as trustee to the MRC.

Tang vacated the chair since as a trustee he declared a conflict of interest. Magee did likewise. Hence, there were only 6 councillors in chamber – Pilling is on leave.

Cr. Penhalluriack moved a motion to DISBAND THIS COMMITTEE. His argument was that he now has to hang his head in shame; he had voted last year in favour of this committee believing that some good may come out of it, but he was mistaken. The whole process is undemocratic and anticommunity. Only 4 councillors will be able to vote on vital issues such as the C60 amendment and the centre of the racecourse because they are trustees, or have been winky popped as he and Forge have been. This is antidemocratic and anticommunity. All this because of a ‘convoluted law and a convoluted interpretation of the law’. When we discuss C60 ‘I’m not allowed to vote… (this is) a nonsense’. ‘This is my park, my land and I’m being excluded…Why should we leave it to 4 people when 9 people have been elected’? ‘Council is not beholden to the MRC’. ‘Council needs to take a stand’…’time council stood up… I want to have a say in C60…”

Cheryl Forge seconded this motion stating that this issue was the most undemocratic thing that had yet faced this council.

Lipshutz opposed the motion stating that whilst terrible, the MRC will go to court and ‘our decision goes down the gurgler’ if processes are incorrect. Therefore conflict of interest is important and must be taken into account. He didn’t want to ‘take the risk’.

Lobo began by stating that it is a ‘shame that we have laws where lawyers play around and earn their living’ Frank is in the history books for making things happen. He has been ‘gagged and he has my full support’.

Hyams agreed with Lipshutz and ‘empathised’ with Frank. He offered two reasons why council needs this committee – (1) potential litigation and (2) problem is the decision relates to perceptions of bias and when statements might be seen as perceptions of bias. ‘we make a decision and we’re exposed to litigation’. Again and again we heard it was ‘risk to council’.

Penhalluriack responded by stating that this was an atrocious situation. If Lipshutz and Hyams are correct then the only people who could challenge are the MRC and they ‘wouldn’t have the gall to stand up’ and go to court. Council must challenge them to do that. They have excluded us year after year and this committee should be abandoned

Esakoff who had taken the chair to replace Tang, then used her chairman’s position to cast the deciding vote. Penhalluriack, Lobo and Forge, voted for abolishing the committee; Lipshutz, Hyams, and Esakoff voted against. Esakoff then used her decisive casting vote – without giving any reasons for this vote. She did not utter a word, except state that she is voting against the motion. Penhalluriack called for a division.

Lipshutz/Hyams then moved the motion that Esakoff be appointed as councillor on the committee.

Penhalluriack then questioned Esakoff’s ‘bias’ in that she had previously voted against his motion to abandon the committee when she is now being nominated for the committee. The response was that councillors can vote themselves onto committees. Penhalluriack then ‘respectfully dissented’ from this decision, asking that this be put in the minutes. Penhalluriack also asked for a vote on his motion of dissent – it was declined after much confusion, consultation with Newton and Burke. Esakoff was voted onto the committee. Surprisingly Forge voted for her!!!!

OUTCOME:

  • 4 councillors (a minority) will decide the fate of C60 – Lipshutz, Esakoff, Pilling and Hyams
  • 4 councillors decide the fate of the Racecourse for 132,000 residents
  • Council will not, as Penhalluriack states ‘stand up’ to the MRC
  • Council has abrogated its responsibilities to residents and to all semblance of democratic process 

Tonight’s council meeting was unique in that the following occurred:

  • A motion of dissent was moved by Cr. Penhalluriack against acting chair Esakoff
  • Esakoff, with the ‘guidance’ of both Newton and Burke ‘gagged’ this motion instead of allowing it to go to a vote according to accepted, democratic principles of meeting procedures
  • The ‘gang of four’ (Lipshutz, Hyams, (Tang) and Esakoff) basically abandoned council’s obligation to the community to ‘fight’ the MRC and the c60 amendment
  • Cr. Lobo responded individually to public questions asking each councillor to outline what they believed they had contributed to the community during their stint as councillor – in opposition to the stock, all encompassing mumbo jumbo of ‘council speak’
  • Cr. Lobo attempted under ‘right of reply’ to question the process of mayoral elections. He was ruled out of order

A full coverage of these events will be online tomorrow.

Ah, looks like Glen Eira Debates is making an impact when we compare the Assembly of Councillors ‘records’ over the past few agendas and the current one. If detail was skimpy before, it is now almost non-existent.  A curt sentence of about 5 words is all the community can now expect. Yet, the censors can’t eliminate all data and those grudgingly made ‘subject listings’ provide further room for speculation. We’re very curious about the following:

  • A Pools Steering Committee that discusses ‘assembly of councillors’. Is it their business?
  • The 26th October Assembly of councillors which discussed ‘records of assembly’!!!!!
  • A revisiting of the October 12th records of assembly. Was this to curtail such expansive ‘minutes’ as “Exchanges between councillors in the Council Chamber and through emails’ – especially when Lobo wanted this relabelled as ‘racism’? Or could it be the somewhat embarrassing notation as: ‘Can councillors be reimbursed for legal costs incurred as a result of the Municipal Inspection’? Or even the ‘untouchable’ such as “CEO appraisal by council’. We can only conclude that councillors and/or administrators were not too happy with previous records of assembly. The result is now obvious. Another major win for secrecy and back room discussions with no accountability to the public.

 However, we are most pleased to report that the previous, apparent ailment of many councillors is now rectified. Their bladders have improved markedly!

  • Lobo got the ball rolling by questioning the accuracy of the record/minutes of assembly. He noted that the reference to communication via emails should read ‘racism’.
  • On Item 9.1 (5 storey development) Lipshutz used the term ‘appropriate’ at least 5 times in the space of 10 sentences. Pilling concurred. Passed unanimously.
  • Items 9.2 and 9.3 were passed. Magee voted against item 9.3. The basic argument was that these items were really only ‘housekeeping’, the land was not really valuable as open space/park, since it was behind a brick wall, no-one knew about it, and hence too late to do anything about it since it wasn’t in council’s control – although they had ‘authority’. PITY THAT THE PUBLIC WASN’T PREVIOUSLY INFORMED THAT THERE IS A COURT CASE PENDING BETWEEN THE OWNERS!!! Seems that this little detail somehow escaped the Officers’ report. Perhaps Glen Eira Debates should take some credit in prompting this tiny tit-bit of information into the open?
  • Farce of the evening was the self-congratulatory performance of nearly all councillors who actually thought they were conducting a ‘debate’ on the financial statements and the prioritisation of capital works. Perhaps ‘debating’ sessions should be given to councillors in conjunction with refresher courses on governance as recommended by the Municipal Inspector?
  • We’re told that the item which generated most ‘debate’ was Esakoff’s ‘urgent business’ relating to potential state government regulation on pruning of trees near power lines. Esakoff moved that GE provide $30,000 for ‘fighting fund’ in conjunction with other councils and MAV. Magee opted for the ‘wait and see’ approach. Pity that such ‘debate’ and ‘spontaneity’ cannot be directed to more pressing issues that impact severely on residents.
  • 2 public questions were taken ‘on notice’ and one was declared inadmissable as it did not refer to a councillor in the performance of his duty as councillor. A question directed to senior executive was also taken on notice. Will be interesting to see how long it takes for these ‘answers’ to surface!

Apparently there were also numerous occasions when several councillors did not know correct procedures as to asking questions of officers (Esakoff); being allowed ‘Right of reply’ on behalf of someone else (Magee); speaking to agenda item (Lobo). After two years, and for some many more, is it asking too much that councillors are au fait with their own local law and its Meeting Procedures? Even Tang we’re told had to defer to the wisdom of Burke!

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